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for the masses headline additional july

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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from outside this world this is

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fade to black with your host jimmy

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church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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good evening

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faye to black

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yeah how you doing today is monday

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that's right but it is beautiful how you

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doing how you doing

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all right i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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far and near this

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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that's right what an amazing week we

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got in front of us on fade to block

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tonight mike ricksecker is here

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oh man and i love first time guests and

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first time guests like mike rick sucker

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and that is tonight we're talking about

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his new book

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a walk in the shadows um i have now read

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it's an amazing book we're going to be

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talking about that tonight tomorrow

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night micah hanks

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of the debrief joins us

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lots to talk about when it comes to the

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there is headlines galore out there

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right now so we'll be doing that

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tomorrow night with micah

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i really can't say why that didn't

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you guys the story but

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uh it's really funny anyway so richard's

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is another fader night with open lines

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man and this is the thing einstein the

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crystalskull.com you just need to go and

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website and that's not the good stuff

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look and you need to go

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einstein the crystalskull.com and when

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you go and you bond with your skull

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use the promo code jimmy that's all you

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got to do 10 off

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of your crystal skull order today all

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right einstein the crystal skull.com

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ufo mega con is coming up folks june

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click on that go and get your tickets

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figure out what you want to do

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and we're going to go hang out it's

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tic tacs tic tacs i don't get it

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are you saying i have a breath problem

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a minute i'm talking about steven greer

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a picture of it let me do retweet right

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the image is what looks to be

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and uh you let me know what you think

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okay all right there you go and uh i'm

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just doing my part the thing

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is uh with anything like this there's

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way too many and you are able to

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look at this and figure things out okay

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so i know that that's gonna happen and i

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look forward to everybody's analysis

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i don't know what's in the picture i uh

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huge leap but then again

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you never know okay so there's that part

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i don't know the provenance

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any of this information

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this community and it will

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uh quickly uh get uh picked apart

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israeli and canadian researchers say

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the prehistoric inhabitants of a south

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african cave were fashioning stone tools

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making the cave one of the world's

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homes the discovery was made in wonder

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cave a well-known archaeological site

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located in southern africa's

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kalahari desert researchers have been

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excavating the cave for years and

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a group of geologists and archaeologists

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from the hebrew university of jerusalem

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have found the earliest evidence

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of human activity in the underground

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chamber

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whose africans name means

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miracle according to the archaeologist

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the cave has housed simple stone tools

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dating back 1.8 million years and they

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also found evidence

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that fires had been lit there over

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a million years ago absolutely

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extraordinary now tumblr

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ridge google it

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tumblr ridge a small canadian town

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lost internet for 36 hours over the

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weekend after local

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beavers nod through fiber cables while

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hunting for materials

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to build their dam the beavers

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the beavers had to chew through a four

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and a half inch protective

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layer to reach the cables tumbler ridge

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a town in northeastern british columbia

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with a population of almost 2 000 people

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and the beavers chewed through

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the underground cables at multiple

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points cutting internet service for 900

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people

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and cable tv for 60.

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the outage started at 4am on saturday

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local cell phone service was

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also disrupted but

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the good news the beavers did complete

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the construction of their new super

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strong

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waterproofed damn there you go let's get

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the show cracking happy birthday to

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today

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channing tatum i said it channing

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channing tatum today is 41 years old

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kevin james used to be funny

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today kevin james is 56 i used to be

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funny too

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jet li is 58

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carol burnett is 88

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slip knot stick man joey jordison

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is 46. producer songwriter giorgio

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maroter

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is 71 take my breath away gary wright

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is 78 of course you know the song

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dreamweaver

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singer john karabe is 62.

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man i remember when he was in the band

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scream

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of course he went onto motley crew for

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about four years and was also in the

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dead daisies

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duran duran drummer roger taylor

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today is 61. our dead guy's birthday

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today is doug

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sacks to 1936-2015

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died at the age of 78 doug was an

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american

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mastering engineer from right here in

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los angeles california

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he mastered some of the greatest

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recordings in history and worked with

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the best

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including the doors pink floyd frank

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zappa the rolling stones the who sticks

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chicago

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jackson brown neil diamond super [\h__\h]

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whitney houston

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rod stewart miles davis huey lewis in

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the news

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willie nelson james taylor tina turner

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leonard cohen

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jewell stevie nicks sting too many to

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list

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by the way but his last project was

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shadows in the night by bob dylan

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doug died on april 2nd 2015 at the age

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of 78 from cancer

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right here in los angeles on this day in

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history

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otd 1986

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the world's most worst worstest

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nuclear power plant accident occurs at

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the chernobyl nuclear power station in

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the soviet union

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fader fact all right here you go

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this is out of all of my fader facts i

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should put a fader fact

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book together that's my book that's the

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book i need to write

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fader facts yeah because i think i've

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got almost 2 000 at this point

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fader fact in 2003

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daryl m blocker a cia

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intelligence officer working undercover

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in uganda

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became a celebrity as the lead singer of

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a popular band known as

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the kampala jazz all-stars

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i'm not making this up all while working

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as

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a spook singer

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taylor soldier spy there i'm just saying

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i said it

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that's your fact daryl m and blocker

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look it up

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good bob marley

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all right tonight very special guest

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mike

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ricksecker is here we're discussing his

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new book it is called

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a walk in the shadow shadow people is

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the subject tonight

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tomorrow night micah hanks of the

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debrief joins us wednesday night

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richard dolan is back with this thursday

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long all right

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now it's time for me to hit this river

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rivermoonwellness.com

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yeah if if jimmy

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wins the lottery i picture him sitting

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in a room full of skulls walking back

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and forth saying my precious

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yes i'm doing that now what are you

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talking about

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got i've got lots of precious over there

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i do my precious

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river moon coffee promo code f2b blend

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15 off of your order today it is the

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best coffee in the world

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and they go to this little island out

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there in the pacific

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they go up to the top of the mountain

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and and get the real

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free trade coffee beans

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they collect those bring them back to

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the united states that's why it's so

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good

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this isn't some mass grown coffee

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on some big corporate plantation new

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i don't know how they do it all right

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boltzmann boltzmann's

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boltzmann brain boltzmann's

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brain b o l t z m

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such an amazing thought experiment for

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the student and teacher

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of physics and i have to admit it

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that i'm still trying to wrap my

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tiny little brain around it but each day

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boltzmann's brain the argument basically

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basically it goes like this

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given enough time

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particles will randomly combine out

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there in the vacuum of space

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and one day in the far future

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with a full memory of a lifetime

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pre-installed kind of like microsoft

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windows

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that's right named after

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ludwig boltzmann who way back

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in 1896 write that down

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was arguing that our universe was more

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relaxed

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than what many in science were thinking

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at that time and

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yes it it comes down to entropy and

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thermal dynamics

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and that's a very heavy subject but

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ludwig

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believed that we were in a state of

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thermodynamic equilibrium

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and in this blissful void

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the boltzmann brain argument suggests

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that over an extremely large but not

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infinite right amount of time

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by sheer chance atoms in a void

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could spontaneously come together in

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such a way as to assemble

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a functioning human brain like

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any brain in such circumstances as you

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can imagine

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it would almost immediately stop

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functioning

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and begin to deteriorate remember it's

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also very cold out there but

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theoretically a boltzmann brain

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can also form albeit again with a tiny

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probability

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at any time of

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the consensus amongst cosmetologists

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today

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is that there must be some yet to be

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revealed error in the math

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right because the surprising

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calculations

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are that boltzmann brains

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should vastly outnumber normal

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human brains now chew on that for a

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even even brian greene has stated

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and i'm quoting uh brian right now quote

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i am confident that i am not a bolton

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brain however

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we want our theories to similarly concur

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that we are not boltzmann brains but so

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far

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it has proved surprisingly difficult for

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them to do so

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end quote that's right

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think about this it all started out as a

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thought experiment to work out some

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issues ideas and theories of physics

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among some colleagues and it has turned

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into a serious debate

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and even more serious math

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now it all comes down to entropy one of

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my favorite words and something that

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i've covered at great length on this

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show many times

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before but as the debate has continued

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over the years about

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the boltzmann brain argument the one

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thing that nobody has considered

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is that we have to survive to be able to

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experience

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probabilities over vast periods of time

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and i'm excited about that but

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we have to survive over the last

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25 years or so entropy is playing out

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much faster than anyone could have

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imagined

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remember entropy the definition

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entropy is the lack of order or

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predictability

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it's a gradual decline into disorder

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you start out simple it ends

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complex and comes apart okay

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that's entropy now our society

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our world was very very

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simple 25 years ago and i know it

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doesn't seem that way but if you think

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about it 25 years ago no cell phones

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no internet at least not like today

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no social media right you had america

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online

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that was social media right

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today the complex nature of computers

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servers and the entire world being tied

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and dependent to it

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could implode at any moment

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one day not so long ago we had a simple

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dial-up modem and we logged on to

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america online remember that buddy

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buddy list that was it

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today all of our farming our food

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electricity

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news money banking logistics trucks

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deliveries planes

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military communications entertainment

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everything

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all of it every facet of our daily life

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depends on the net there are no

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exceptions

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none so

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as the universe expands where entropy

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one day will show itself in some grand

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glorious fashion taking billions or

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trillions of years

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our planet earth may implode any day in

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a very short

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125 year cycle

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we've had about 100 years of bliss

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that's right since electricity became a

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thing

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but now it may be time for the gradual

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decline

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to disorder in the end

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entropy always wins

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maybe there is something to moving to

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the mountains and growing your own

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food right no internet

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no connections to the modern world

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around us

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you know where you can watch from your

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front porch

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you know as the cities dive into total

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chaos in the valley below

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seriously i'm just saying if if

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you just take a moment

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to think about the banking system

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wall street the computers

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the software that is involved with

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that it is the deepest

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craziest thing ever and nobody knows

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what's going on

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nobody nobody there's no supreme leader

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so some coder some engineer that

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understands no

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it's layers of patches and fixes and old

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computers and new computers

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somehow the system just works and it's

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the same thing with satellites and

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communication and

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and networking and the news and our

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entertainment and how it is fed to us

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everything

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it is nothing but layers of patchwork

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it's gotten so complex so quickly it's

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entropy

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showing itself right in front of us and

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if it comes

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unraveled just a little bit something

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pulls on that thread

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it's all going to come undone that's

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entropy and that's why i'm saying we

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need to survive

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this so we can observe

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a probability a miracle something crazy

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in the future a boltzmann brain

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think about that this is faded i love

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physics

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something to

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everything when we talk about the world

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of physics and we talk about the world

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of science

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and what they are suggesting to us today

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and i repeat myself

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constantly on this it's it's the

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multiverse it's entanglement it's

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parallel worlds it's multiple dimensions

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on and on what the world of physics is

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is telling us where the math is leading

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us

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and then we have shadow people

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we have ufos we have the afterlife we

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have ndes we have ghosts

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all of this is related think about that

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and i want to get to the other side of

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this because it's all about to connect

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it's connecting now i am your host jimmy

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church this is fade to block we're going

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to be discussing this

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and much more tonight with mike

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ricksucker he's going to be here right

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after this short break

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tomorrow night micah hanks of the

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debrief joins us going to be a great

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conversation

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always amazing when mike is with us and

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then of course

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wednesday night richard bleepin

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dolan back with us thursday's another

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fader night with open lines all night

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy chairs tonight mike ricksecker is

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here

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first time guest we love that tomorrow

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night micah hanks of the debrief joins

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us

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wednesday night richard bleepin dolan

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thursday night

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long tonight

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mick mick mike

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mike rexeker joins us for the first time

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and we're going to discuss his latest

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book a walk in the shadows i'm now in my

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second read-through

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on the book which studies what shadow

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people may be

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and if there is an alien or e.t

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component

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to them it's a great read i suggest

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everybody just go to mike's website

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mikericksucker.com

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and of course hauntedrodemedia.com the

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links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com mike is the author

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of the best-selling book

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of course a walk in the shadows a

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complete guide to shadow people in the

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historic paranormal books

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ghost of maryland ghosts and legends of

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camp fire tales midwest ghost story and

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case files

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and the encounters with the paranormal

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series he has appeared on multiple

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television shows and programs as a

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paranormal historian including

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travel channels the alaska triangle i

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watched that discovery pluses fight club

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i watched that too

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animal planets the haunted i loved it

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bio channel's my ghost story

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and ran tv out of russia mysteries of

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mankind

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he produces his own internet paranormal

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shows he's right here on kgra with us

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too as well on the haunted road media

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youtube channel

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and is the producer and director of the

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upcoming amazon

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docu-series the shadow dimension i would

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like to welcome for the first time to

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fade to black mike ricksucker

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you gotta love live radio welcome to the

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program and uh

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mike before we get started you get the

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first time guest disclaimer

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yeah you ready i'm ready

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i just had a little little glitch here

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wow that was cool

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talking wow that was really weird that

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was uh how many cameras you got going on

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in there man

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okay so uh yeah right

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okay mike settle down

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a little bit okay uh the disclaimer it's

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uh just you and i sitting on my couch

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having a conversation as friends and

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where the conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends but we're gonna

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end his friends

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there you go you ready all right sounds

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good let's do it

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and uh now uh this is

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this is what's interesting first off uh

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the book is great

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and and and mike um i don't know what's

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going on there with your video switching

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system

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but uh this is getting interesting

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i'm not sure what's going on can you

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hear me at least yes i can hear you

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and uh mike's got multiple cameras and

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he's switching between them all

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um i kind of like the side the profile

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is uh pretty nice too

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as well yeah yeah that's pretty good i i

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am touching

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nothing so i do apologize well see

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like as soon as as soon as i started

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talking boom it just went crazy

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00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,960
well see this is the deal this is what

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the paranormal and supernatural is all

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about

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right now i mean this is great i used to

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um in years past when i was in

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sportscasting

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i never had any issues with audio

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computers video nothing just flawless

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00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,200
you get into this you know whatever it

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is conspiracy the paranormal

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supernatural

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and and just issues start so there you

854
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,000
go

855
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,520
profile shot

856
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,720
i'm just gonna try it this way i'm

857
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,440
turning off the uh my primary and just

858
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:11,119
going with the side view okay there you

859
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,480
go okay

860
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:15,359
um uh yeah that was that was pretty cool

861
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:16,480
i got you in green

862
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,160
i had you in in red for a minute

863
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,040
so anyway here we go uh that's that's

864
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:24,800
what live radio is all about

865
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,119
um the book um when it comes to

866
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,200
i'm gonna i'm actually gonna start where

867
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:33,760
i need where i want to start

868
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:37,359
the book scared the crap out of me

869
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,720
okay and and it it and and it

870
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:43,520
did that because of the way that it's

871
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,160
written

872
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,000
and you've got all of these uh first

873
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,160
person accounts in the book

874
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,440
but it's also shadow people and

875
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,480
there is so much to uh

876
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,599
what shadow people are and and things

877
00:40:01,349 --> 00:40:00,079
but it's also something that uh

878
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:01,359
frightens all of us

879
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,560
right and it's it's it's reality

880
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,400
and here we go because i've had my own

881
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,720
experiences too

882
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,760
as well did you when you when you write

883
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,200
the book

884
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,160
um do you realize that it's going to

885
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:18,319
have that effect on people like myself

886
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,119
where

887
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,160
you know they they may get frightened

888
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:25,119
yeah it's it's an interesting effect uh

889
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,480
you know what i've heard from

890
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,720
a lot of people that have contacted me

891
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,079
about the book i mean

892
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,520
many people have had these types of

893
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,200
experiences they get frightened people

894
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,359
fear what they don't understand

895
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,920
and i think for a lot of people it

896
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,680
answers some questions of course it does

897
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:41,520
pose a lot more questions as well

898
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,000
because

899
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:44,400
we truly don't know for certain what

900
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:45,440
these things

901
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,560
actually are so the the book poses a lot

902
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:49,839
of different theories

903
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,280
but i think it helps to

904
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:56,800
give people ideas of what those things

905
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,440
may be

906
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,920
and also i believe it helps people to

907
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,800
realize

908
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,720
that there are others out there who have

909
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:05,119
had these similar experiences

910
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,400
and they're not alone in this and

911
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,760
including yourself you have your own

912
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,000
personal experiences in the book and

913
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,680
also there is

914
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,359
some video and things that were tied to

915
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,359
it and i did go and watch the videos and

916
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,560
by the way

917
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:23,200
uh i don't want to get ahead of our skis

918
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,760
but

919
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,720
the video of the gymnasium right when

920
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:28,640
you were panning the camera across

921
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,920
i was like holy crap what what and and

922
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,680
um i don't want to get ahead of our skis

923
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:35,680
but let's talk about that moment for a

924
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:36,160
second

925
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,560
because for me i saw the shadow being

926
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:43,440
you kind of panned past it a couple of

927
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,000
times

928
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:47,200
and didn't comment um did you know what

929
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,079
was going on

930
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,960
in front of you yeah what's interesting

931
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:51,760
about that

932
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,359
is i i didn't see that with my eyes as i

933
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,440
was panning the camera there's

934
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,440
yeah that back light is kind of in your

935
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,440
face right right kind of trying to look

936
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,359
over the camera so i really didn't see

937
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:05,680
that with my eyes at the time it was in

938
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:08,880
review later on that i actually saw it

939
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,359
now what was going on in that moment

940
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,359
we had had a lot of back and forth

941
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,560
across that gymnasium where

942
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,440
the doors over by where the shadow

943
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:20,960
person was actually

944
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,000
walking that's a pretty active area

945
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,000
we had always heard a lot of noises over

946
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:27,359
there

947
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,720
that go down to the basement we always

948
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,040
got a lot of activity over there and it

949
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,800
was always kind of playful so we'd go

950
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,400
over there by those doors

951
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,599
check things out and then all of a

952
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,040
sudden we'd hear things back by the

953
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:45,200
bleachers and so we'd go over to the

954
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,920
bleachers

955
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,280
and check out what was going on over

956
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,720
there and all of a sudden it's back over

957
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,319
by the door so there's this playful back

958
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,480
and forth back and forth constantly

959
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,359
and i got lucky in that the one time we

960
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,960
were over there by the bleachers i was

961
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,000
painting the camera

962
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,240
and captured it and you can actually see

963
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:02,319
a little bit of a walk to it as well

964
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,880
which is

965
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:05,040
you can really fascinate you absolutely

966
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,079
can and

967
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,760
this was this was my point um

968
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,720
i'm watching it and i have my own

969
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,800
personal holy crap moment because i'm

970
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,160
watching it

971
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,720
but you're all calm cool and collected

972
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:19,920
right you didn't react

973
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,720
i thought it's what what's what he's not

974
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,319
seeing this

975
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:27,599
and that was uh that was extraordinary

976
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,640
and you could see the motion and uh

977
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,960
and it looked pretty tall too as well it

978
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,000
wasn't

979
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,000
goblin dude or anything like that it was

980
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,160
a pretty good sized uh entity or

981
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,000
whatever you want to call it

982
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,720
that was a it was a decent sized one uh

983
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,319
some people report

984
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,359
seeing them six seven eight feet tall

985
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,640
this one we actually did a height

986
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,040
comparison later on

987
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:56,079
uh we went back to the location and it

988
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,960
actually seemed

989
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:59,200
a little you know maybe a child like

990
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,160
maybe about

991
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,720
10 11 12 years old as far as the height

992
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,760
but it it

993
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,680
certainly wasn't you know very short

994
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:07,040
because we've seen them before where

995
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,599
they've

996
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,359
they're only maybe three feet tall so

997
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,200
this one was a little bit taller

998
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,319
now um you start off

999
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:17,520
um in the book uh with

1000
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,760
your own experience

1001
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,920
uh at eight or nine years old i actually

1002
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,839
want to talk about that because

1003
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,359
and the way that you write about it in

1004
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:29,680
the book it's very personal

1005
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,880
and um in the beginning of the book you

1006
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:35,680
mention it and then later on you

1007
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,160
actually

1008
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,800
go you know pretty detailed into this

1009
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,160
experience

1010
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:42,480
um when you're going to be at the ufo

1011
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,200
megacon

1012
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:46,079
in laughlin nevada are you going to be

1013
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,359
talking about your own personal

1014
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:48,560
experiences

1015
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,760
this is a ufo conference are you going

1016
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,119
to swing this over

1017
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,160
into how you end the book you know is

1018
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:57,920
there a possibility of

1019
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,920
of the alien e.t uh connection

1020
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,560
yeah absolutely i will uh you know all

1021
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:06,240
these all these different things are

1022
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,240
are connected and while yes the premise

1023
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,440
is you know our shadow entities

1024
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,960
extraterrestrials or at least are some

1025
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:16,720
of them extraterrestrials i

1026
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:20,480
i do or i am going to break it down

1027
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,160
and into the ideas of okay here are all

1028
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,000
the different types of

1029
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,400
shadow entities here's what we know

1030
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,680
about them so far here are some

1031
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:31,040
different experiences

1032
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,400
i always like to give people a little

1033
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:34,800
bit of background on myself anyway as

1034
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,760
as far as how i got into all of this

1035
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,480
research

1036
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:40,400
and yeah that was definitely a very very

1037
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,680
personal experience

1038
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:44,079
and i am glad that you brought it up

1039
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,920
because yes at the beginning i kind of

1040
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,960
briefly

1041
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,720
give you the summation of what happened

1042
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,280
and then toward the end of the book

1043
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,200
when we get into you know the darker the

1044
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,800
dark and they evil

1045
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,800
in in that sort of thing which is a

1046
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,240
question people have

1047
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:01,200
are all of these things evil uh i really

1048
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,680
break

1049
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:04,319
down that moment so you can see okay was

1050
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:04,960
this thing

1051
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,480
actually being malicious and

1052
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,160
as an adult now is very different when i

1053
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,160
was a child but as an adult now

1054
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,680
i really do have to question whether or

1055
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,000
not it was malicious but i do think

1056
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,640
it has a lot of uh similarities to what

1057
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,240
people report as far

1058
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,839
you know like abductees you know some of

1059
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:23,440
those stories it has some

1060
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:26,720
similar uh connotations to those reports

1061
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,359
as well

1062
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,880
yeah it really does and

1063
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:33,440
you're i mean look this is the thing

1064
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,160
that pulls at all of us emotionally

1065
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,200
is these stories uh not only uh

1066
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:42,319
like evps you know with a child's voice

1067
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:42,960
on it

1068
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,760
we all react a certain way to that and

1069
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:46,800
then there's the

1070
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:49,920
other part where it's an experience of

1071
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,960
a child that i mean it just we're

1072
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,119
emotionally connected to that

1073
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:58,000
and what happened to you had to have

1074
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,880
been

1075
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,400
something that just stayed with you for

1076
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:02,960
your entire life take us through that

1077
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,560
night um uh it is

1078
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,200
uh i'm i don't want to do a spoiler

1079
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,599
alert here but i am a little bit

1080
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,800
it's the end of the experience

1081
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,520
to me that was the craziest and that was

1082
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:19,440
going into the closet

1083
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,880
right i mean that was like it was pretty

1084
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,079
bizarre that's

1085
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,480
bizarre i i can imagine that you never

1086
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,000
opened up that closet door

1087
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,359
ever again and you know you got to walk

1088
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,319
down that hallway

1089
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,720
okay so um what happened you're eight or

1090
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:36,960
nine years old

1091
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:40,800
woke up in the middle of the night

1092
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:44,480
and i saw this tall dark figure standing

1093
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:45,760
in the corner of my room

1094
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,119
uh of course i had no idea at the time

1095
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,760
of shadow people or shadow entities or

1096
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,400
anything

1097
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,240
like that you know i thought that there

1098
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,760
was an intruder in my room

1099
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:57,359
and it was about to kill me because of

1100
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:58,559
course you know that's about what you

1101
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,359
think at the

1102
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,760
the age of eight but i'm still alive to

1103
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:02,880
tell the tale which is

1104
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,160
fantastic so i figured you know i had

1105
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,160
maybe about enough time to

1106
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,000
gasp in that was gonna be it i was gonna

1107
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,000
be a goner um

1108
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:14,720
but what it did was even i think more

1109
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,760
bizarre

1110
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,000
uh this thing came up to my bed now i'm

1111
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,079
trying to scream my mouth opens up

1112
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:23,440
nothing's coming out and it leans over

1113
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,240
i'm looking

1114
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,760
up into this blank face there's no eyes

1115
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:29,040
no nose and mouth

1116
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,160
nothing and it grabs me by the wrists

1117
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,440
crosses my arms across my body and then

1118
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,839
runs off down the hall and like you said

1119
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:40,640
jimmy

1120
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:44,240
into a closet i finally found my voice

1121
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,040
by my legs

1122
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,160
ran off to my parents bedroom screaming

1123
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,920
you know they were you know great

1124
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,920
parents there they still are great

1125
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,559
parents

1126
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,240
and you know they're trying to calm me

1127
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,480
down console me trying to tell me that i

1128
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,000
had just had a bad dream but

1129
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,480
you know i had been awake for uh this

1130
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,000
whole thing

1131
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,720
so yeah that was my first significant

1132
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,480
paranormal experience and then of course

1133
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:08,640
it was a very frightening one at that

1134
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:12,079
and the interesting thing uh that stands

1135
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,119
out besides

1136
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,839
running into the closet which is just a

1137
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,520
big bowl of wrong

1138
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:20,640
right it's just not cool but

1139
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:23,920
uh placed your arms uh

1140
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,000
across your chest and that

1141
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:31,119
as soon as i i read that part of of your

1142
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,640
experience mike the first thing i

1143
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:34,240
thought of it's like

1144
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:37,839
um was this like the grim reaper right

1145
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,079
this is this a a death pose for a casket

1146
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,240
you know that's what that's what popped

1147
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,559
into my head

1148
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:49,280
yeah and that's um you know talking

1149
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,480
about it more and more

1150
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,640
uh you know over the years you know

1151
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:54,079
coming on shows like this

1152
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,839
i've had people reach out and you'll

1153
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,079
suggest

1154
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,559
yeah that it seemed to be you know the

1155
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,200
pose on maybe a sarcophagus from

1156
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,200
egypt like with the the crook and flail

1157
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,040
like that and so it gets you

1158
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,280
thinking okay well if they are putting

1159
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,960
me into some sort of

1160
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,160
burial pose you know maybe they're

1161
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,400
actually doing something to honor me

1162
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,400
rather than to do something to harm me

1163
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:20,079
if they think that i'm actually

1164
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,440
dead and deceased and they're trying to

1165
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,280
put me into a more reverent position

1166
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:24,720
that would actually be

1167
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,480
a motion of honor and your experience

1168
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:30,079
was physical

1169
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,200
right in that this entity uh

1170
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,400
actually touched you and positioned your

1171
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,760
arm so now

1172
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,160
uh we're not necessarily you know

1173
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,319
talking about a spirit

1174
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,319
you know or something that is intangible

1175
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,440
this was a physical experience

1176
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,040
yeah it was absolutely physical and

1177
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,960
people ask me all the time you know

1178
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,720
you know what did it feel like did it

1179
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:54,079
feel icy cold

1180
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,359
you know did it feel electric or

1181
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,359
anything like that and no it just it

1182
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,200
just felt like any old person

1183
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,280
you know taking me by the wrists and

1184
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:03,920
crossing them like that didn't feel

1185
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,119
any different than like you

1186
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:09,839
right right and so the journey starts

1187
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,240
right

1188
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:13,119
and the journey starts the journey

1189
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:13,839
starts

1190
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,880
and um so let's let's

1191
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:18,880
let's go with some definitions really

1192
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,000
quick

1193
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,880
um and i know this is a broad statement

1194
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:25,440
and it's a broad question

1195
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,720
but what are shadow people

1196
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,559
yeah and that's the big question is

1197
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,160
right right to

1198
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,960
to me he kind of quote unquote true

1199
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,480
shadow person

1200
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,800
would be in interdimensional beings

1201
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,960
something that has crossed into our

1202
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,119
plane of existence from some other

1203
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:45,520
plane of existence but you know some of

1204
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:46,559
these

1205
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:49,119
shadow entities are actually human

1206
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:50,480
spirits that can't fully

1207
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,520
manifest as a as an apparition they only

1208
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,800
come off as a shadow

1209
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,400
i know we're gonna be talking uh you

1210
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,920
know et's here a little bit you know

1211
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,599
some are extraterrestrials some may

1212
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:00,640
actually be

1213
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,160
time travelers i cover very briefly in

1214
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:05,680
the book the possibility that they could

1215
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,240
be

1216
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,280
uh you know astral projections again uh

1217
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:11,040
you know just kind of getting a glimpse

1218
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,359
of

1219
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,079
a astral projector or even you know some

1220
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:15,920
form of uh light being that all we're

1221
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,400
seeing

1222
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,599
is the you know their physical being and

1223
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,880
so there's a lot of different things

1224
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,359
that these could actually be

1225
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:26,400
could they just be i know i'm

1226
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,440
simplifying

1227
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,720
could they just be ghosts

1228
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,960
yeah sure uh which would which would be

1229
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,480
a a human spirit

1230
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:37,280
um i've talked with a a number of people

1231
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:37,839
i've even

1232
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,119
seen you know rolling black smoke

1233
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:43,119
morph into the apparition of a little

1234
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,160
girl so

1235
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,680
you know there while it wasn't you know

1236
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,280
your your classic

1237
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:50,640
uh you know shadow being walking forth

1238
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,119
and then

1239
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,720
you know turning into the little girl it

1240
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,880
was rolling black smoking and morphed

1241
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:55,920
into her but

1242
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,800
um i include a story uh from my good

1243
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,800
friend rob gutrow as a psychic medium

1244
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,920
got visited by

1245
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,559
his aunt because she wanted him to relay

1246
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:06,160
a message to his mother which of course

1247
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:07,520
was her sister

1248
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,040
and she could only appear to him as as

1249
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:13,280
a shadow um you know because she did

1250
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,960
just expended so much energy

1251
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,240
she couldn't uh show up as the

1252
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,640
apparition in fact i just had him on

1253
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,640
uh my show edge of the rabbit hole here

1254
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,559
about a month month and a half ago

1255
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,839
talking about

1256
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,440
shadow pets and he also has an

1257
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:26,880
interesting story in which

1258
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:30,559
one of his deceased dogs had appeared

1259
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:30,960
there

1260
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,240
in their house as half shadow half

1261
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:36,480
apparition which is really interesting

1262
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,280
now uh there are many

1263
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,599
okay this is what i enjoyed about the

1264
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,800
book

1265
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,040
and as i'm looking at the clock i'm

1266
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,559
gonna try to get all of this in before

1267
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,160
the top of the hour

1268
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,559
what is great about the book is it's

1269
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,359
comprehensive and it's detailed and you

1270
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,440
don't really leave a stone unturned with

1271
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,440
classifications and definitions

1272
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:02,640
and and and the phenomena itself

1273
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:05,680
the other half of the book which is

1274
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,960
i find extraordinary is you've got a

1275
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:10,000
huge amount

1276
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:13,359
of first-person accounts

1277
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,040
and and their stories one after another

1278
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,240
um and i didn't find them repeating

1279
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,040
which said to me i mean the experiences

1280
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:24,960
themselves there are things that are

1281
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,960
similar but each story from these

1282
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,480
individuals

1283
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:33,200
was completely different and i found

1284
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:33,599
that

1285
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:37,040
so compelling and then we start to get

1286
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:38,480
into these

1287
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,000
classification or types right um

1288
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:45,040
and and i guess the generalized idea

1289
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,319
here would be

1290
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,960
most of them are human shaped right are

1291
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:50,880
we just going to go humanoid

1292
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,319
like an overall

1293
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:57,200
yeah you know most of them are a you

1294
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,720
know a type of human

1295
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,880
shape you know whether it's you know a

1296
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,720
full human body

1297
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,400
or you know maybe they're a bit

1298
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:06,400
translucent or you might even see half

1299
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:06,799
of them

1300
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,040
some are wearing you know the hats and

1301
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:10,880
yeah we're going to get into that

1302
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:14,319
yes yes yes but you do have your mists

1303
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,119
and wisps

1304
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,040
in like rolling black smoke like i was

1305
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,880
talking about earlier

1306
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,880
probably not as much as of course the

1307
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,160
full human figures

1308
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,359
so we have uh of course the hat wearing

1309
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:26,640
shadow

1310
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,839
um and look i listen to a lot of creepy

1311
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,880
pasta

1312
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,440
and we got the hat wearing shadow to try

1313
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,200
it in almost every story

1314
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,240
and and i just love them but how

1315
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,359
how often do we have the the hat wearing

1316
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,200
the fedora

1317
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,160
wearing shadow figure yeah you know

1318
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,680
what's interesting is i

1319
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,680
have a lot of people contact me about

1320
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,880
having seen

1321
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,520
these hat wearing shadow entities and

1322
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,599
i've seen a lot of shadow entities

1323
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,799
throughout my entire life

1324
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,119
and that's one that i have not have not

1325
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,799
seen the one with the hat

1326
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:03,440
which is uh to me very ironic but yeah i

1327
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:04,400
want a lot of people

1328
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:11,109
i want the fedora guy the hat man

1329
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,839
and then we have uh of course the

1330
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:16,000
crawler

1331
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,559
creepy i've actually witnessed that one

1332
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:23,040
and that was you know there's not too

1333
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,720
much that spooks me going

1334
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,720
out on a lot of these investigations but

1335
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,720
that one was a bit nerve-racking how it

1336
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,000
just slipped in there you're seeing

1337
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,520
this you know this mess of arms and legs

1338
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,480
and just crawling along uh you know very

1339
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,720
fast the the walls and the ceiling of

1340
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,160
the building and so yeah

1341
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:41,839
those are those are a little creepy how

1342
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,079
many times do you get to see

1343
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:47,359
uh details where you've had descriptions

1344
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,480
of a face or

1345
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:51,520
glowing eyes or is it generally

1346
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,799
faceless generally it's faceless you do

1347
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,720
get reports of the

1348
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,319
usually it would be glowing eyes if you

1349
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,000
get some sort of facial feature

1350
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:02,160
uh the other facial features you don't

1351
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,440
really uh

1352
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,280
hear too much about maybe occasionally

1353
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,200
like a little hint of a mouth or

1354
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,119
something like that but usually it's the

1355
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:10,880
uh the eyes if anything

1356
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,760
but generally nothing now what about uh

1357
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:14,640
the

1358
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,040
more scarier ideas here

1359
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:21,920
you know as the hooded dude or dudette

1360
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:22,480
you know

1361
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,280
stalking death right that if

1362
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,119
if you get the hooded figure you get a

1363
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:33,200
wraith or something like that

1364
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,640
uh they've got a job to do

1365
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,559
yeah a lot of people will will ask me if

1366
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,400
the hooded figure is like the grim

1367
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:43,440
reaper uh grim reaper is a psycho pomp

1368
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,000
and

1369
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,640
he's basically guiding souls into the

1370
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,079
afterlife so he's you know he's got no

1371
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:49,599
job to do like you said

1372
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:52,480
uh but what's what's interesting is i

1373
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:53,920
found with the hooded figure yet there

1374
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:54,400
are

1375
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:59,200
nefarious and others that actually seem

1376
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,839
rather

1377
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:02,400
benevolent in nature i had you know a

1378
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:03,520
friend of mine

1379
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:07,440
who was at a abbey in abandoned abbey in

1380
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:08,079
ireland

1381
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,599
she was you know starting to fall down

1382
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,040
the stairs and there's this you know

1383
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,799
dark-hooded figure that reached out and

1384
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:14,640
actually saved her from falling down the

1385
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:15,359
stairs

1386
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,640
you know you're thinking okay that's

1387
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:18,640
probably a monk from from the abbey

1388
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,040
which

1389
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:22,240
probably was now the black

1390
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,359
wisp this is

1391
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:28,720
and your description of it uh

1392
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:32,559
is is also very cool in that it's quick

1393
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,599
right it's fast yes very fast

1394
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,680
yeah yeah these are very fast uh when

1395
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,720
they move they

1396
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,200
are you know darting across the room my

1397
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,760
more significant experience with this

1398
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:46,240
and this kind of leads into the whole

1399
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,799
you know

1400
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,720
realm of of these being interdimensional

1401
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,720
beings i was at a

1402
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,480
restaurant called johnny v's in muskogee

1403
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,599
oklahoma doing a paranormal

1404
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,280
investigation

1405
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:57,280
and i walked into the main doors of the

1406
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:58,559
kitchen and this thing

1407
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,599
darted across the room so fast

1408
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,720
and it slammed into this side door

1409
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,880
of that kitchen was just a flimsy little

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00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:08,240
metal door

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00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,680
you know just something for waiters and

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00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,440
waitresses to carry large trays of food

1413
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,720
through you could tap it with your

1414
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,119
finger and this thing would open up

1415
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:17,920
and you heard it bam slam right into

1416
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:18,720
this thing

1417
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,760
but the door itself didn't move and so

1418
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:23,040
i'm calling out to others hey did you

1419
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:24,400
guys hear that and you're like yeah yeah

1420
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,599
we heard that

1421
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,280
because they were in other parts of the

1422
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:29,680
building and for a while i thought okay

1423
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,880
maybe they were messing with me they

1424
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:32,160
were throwing something at the door

1425
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,440
actually walk out the door looking

1426
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:34,799
around down at the ground there's

1427
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,599
nothing

1428
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,839
um you know and even if they had thrown

1429
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:39,440
something at the door i would have seen

1430
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:39,920
the door

1431
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,280
move so you know that really started me

1432
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,200
getting me to question what in the world

1433
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,280
did i actually witness here

1434
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,839
and i think what had happened was yeah

1435
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,839
there was some sort of

1436
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:54,079
you know crossing of dimensions or maybe

1437
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:55,440
even a time slip here

1438
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,640
and you know i believe that this thing

1439
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,440
may have seen me as as a shadow may have

1440
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:03,040
seen me as a ghost something but i

1441
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,280
scared it when i walked in

1442
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,079
and when it went flying toward that door

1443
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,920
perhaps in its plane of existence it

1444
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:11,280
blew right through that door

1445
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:14,720
and into the uh into the dining room

1446
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,520
area

1447
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,839
but sound working on a different

1448
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,520
frequency different wavelength i was

1449
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,200
actually able to hear that cross the

1450
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,559
dimensions and so that's

1451
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:24,240
one of those things that really sent me

1452
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,599
down this rabbit hole

1453
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:28,319
the book is a walk in the shadows and

1454
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you can go

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uh both of uh mike well mike's got a lot

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of links out there but the two

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uh that are over at jimmychurchradio.com

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is mikericksocker.com and of course

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hauntedrodemedia.com i've got to take a

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break let's get that in right now this

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is fade to block

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i am your host jimmy church tonight mike

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rick sucker is here

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we've got a lot to discuss the book is

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an amazing read

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welcome back feed the black i'm your

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01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:18,799
host jimmy church our guest tonight mike

1583
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:19,520
rick sucker

1584
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:26,160
the new book is a walk in the shadows

1585
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:27,119
and

1586
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:31,599
seriously on my second i'm going to tell

1587
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,000
you this

1588
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,960
mike i'm not going to read this in bed

1589
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:36,079
at night

1590
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,160
no no no maybe not a good idea no you

1591
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:42,000
read that during the day with the lights

1592
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:42,720
on

1593
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:47,200
want this to get away from us

1594
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:50,319
um there's a fifth beetle um in

1595
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,200
this book and that is the illustrations

1596
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,880
the illustrations are extraordinary

1597
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:56,319
who's the artist

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01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,200
yeah the artist is adam tillery uh he's

1599
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,960
a fantastic i've known him about 10

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01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:02,799
years now and actually he and his

1601
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,960
well his wife just uh gave birth to

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01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:06,079
their first child

1603
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:09,200
today so you brought i'm

1604
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,640
happy you brought them up because uh

1605
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,640
congratulations adam and hannah

1606
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,720
wow wow that's you know that's the

1607
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,079
universe man

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01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:18,640
that's the universe i i literally wrote

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01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,280
down

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01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:22,319
here i'll hold it up for you right i

1611
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,119
mean

1612
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:25,119
i wanted to bring that up because uh

1613
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:26,799
that is a big part of the book

1614
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,760
and it really uh carries things along

1615
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,200
really well done the artwork is

1616
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:33,119
incredible in the photographs too

1617
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:36,640
um okay let's uh

1618
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:40,000
let's take this to i want to start

1619
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,599
with oh um uh there are

1620
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,920
all of these individual uh first-hand

1621
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:46,960
accounts and stories

1622
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:49,599
way too many to go through tonight i do

1623
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,400
want to take the opportunity for you to

1624
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,319
uh walk us through a couple of your

1625
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,000
favorite

1626
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,839
experiences in the book with some of

1627
01:08:03,270 --> 01:07:59,200
these individuals

1628
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,280
but i want to start with the shadow

1629
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,400
of a campsville grade school which is

1630
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:08,720
what we were talking about earlier

1631
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:11,599
what makes this great school so haunted

1632
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,559
if it's happening

1633
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,799
even if it is haunted i mean that may be

1634
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:15,760
the wrong uh

1635
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,520
terminology yeah you know there's

1636
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,120
a lot of things that go on there you

1637
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,000
know not just the the shadow entity but

1638
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,239
you know there are footsteps that that

1639
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,600
you hear all the time

1640
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,759
within they're coming from a second

1641
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:31,359
floor that doesn't exist it's a

1642
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:34,719
it's a little one floor grade school

1643
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:37,040
out in the middle of uh nowhere in

1644
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:38,080
illinois

1645
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,759
and we are constantly hearing these

1646
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,199
footsteps uh

1647
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:44,239
from the uh basically from the ceiling

1648
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,440
you go up there it's just it

1649
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:46,960
there's an attic there's no floor up

1650
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,040
there it's just you know

1651
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:52,000
insulation and all kinds of other things

1652
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:53,839
that we were getting there but what

1653
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:57,040
really to me gives it that energy that

1654
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:58,239
makes a supernatural

1655
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:01,440
activity happen there is the fact that

1656
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:02,239
this

1657
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,839
school was actually built on an old

1658
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,159
archaeological dig

1659
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,799
site in fact you can just you can see

1660
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:10,400
the terracing still

1661
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,520
in the hillside from those digs back in

1662
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,199
the 1920s and they

1663
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:17,040
in the 1930s they put the school right

1664
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,319
on top of it and

1665
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:20,960
what they were digging up and that area

1666
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:21,920
uh is still

1667
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,719
rife with uh with archaeological dig

1668
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,440
sites

1669
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,520
they're they're digging up old native

1670
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:29,679
american artifacts there

1671
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:32,560
and so you know once you start digging

1672
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,159
into old native american sites and you

1673
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:35,839
put buildings on top of it

1674
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,839
you get a lot of this type of activity

1675
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:39,520
at those types of buildings

1676
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:42,319
uh we've all seen that movie right we've

1677
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:42,719
all

1678
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,239
seen that movie and i don't know who

1679
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:48,239
decides to build a

1680
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:51,279
a school on top of uh

1681
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:54,480
an indigenous uh site like that

1682
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:57,600
but you are going to get stuff um but

1683
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,480
how do you get um and this happens i

1684
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:02,640
watched uh uh

1685
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:05,520
a couple of the videos from the school

1686
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:06,800
and

1687
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:09,199
how do you get footsteps from the second

1688
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,800
floor i know you just said there's an

1689
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,000
attic up there but how do you get

1690
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,840
footsteps from a second floor if there

1691
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:15,040
isn't one

1692
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,640
or is it is the building itself is the

1693
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:20,800
school itself

1694
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,199
uh what's the word i want to say ghost

1695
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,120
like was there another building

1696
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,840
there before the school that could have

1697
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:30,000
been two or three stories tall

1698
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,600
yeah that's something that we tried to

1699
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:33,280
research and and look up

1700
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,960
as to whether or not there was another

1701
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,880
building that was on that particular

1702
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:38,719
site there was another

1703
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,679
little high school that was adjacent to

1704
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:43,280
but not on the exact

1705
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,120
uh same location as the grade school

1706
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,760
so what we ended up deducing and we can

1707
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:51,679
only really speculate you know because

1708
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,400
there were

1709
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,920
not only the native americans that were

1710
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,440
there but there were you know early

1711
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:57,440
pioneer settlers to the area we really

1712
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,880
don't know where a lot of those original

1713
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:00,400
buildings were but

1714
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:03,440
with the school itself being put into

1715
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:07,520
a dig site it is naturally

1716
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,800
lower than where the hill originally was

1717
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,000
so there may have been some

1718
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,159
sort of building on top of that hill

1719
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:16,480
originally and then as they dug into it

1720
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,960
it lowered the footprint of course of

1721
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,080
the school itself

1722
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,400
so if there had been some sort of

1723
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:23,760
building there its

1724
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:26,400
floor would have been about the height

1725
01:11:33,070 --> 01:11:26,800
of

1726
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,080
i want to get into the uh

1727
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,960
interdimensional

1728
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:37,679
aspects of this and one of the points

1729
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:38,880
that you make

1730
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,760
i'm going to get we're going to dovetail

1731
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:43,840
this into the mist

1732
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:47,040
um because your experience with the mist

1733
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,840
is is is pretty cool it's pretty scary

1734
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:51,040
actually

1735
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,239
and i want to get into that but then you

1736
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:57,360
you go pretty solidly

1737
01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:00,560
into a term that

1738
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:03,000
isn't talked about enough which is

1739
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,800
ultra-terrestrials

1740
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,719
so i want to start with the definition

1741
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,640
because as we continue the conversation

1742
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,159
we're going to come back to this what is

1743
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,080
an ultra-terrestrial

1744
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,159
yeah ultra-terrestrial and this was you

1745
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:15,920
know part of a conversation that i had

1746
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,320
with

1747
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:18,320
my good friend carl johnson who's a

1748
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,440
demonologist

1749
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,000
and you know this is really you know we

1750
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,000
think an extraterrestrial is

1751
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:26,400
you know a you know a life form from

1752
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,840
outside of our planet but an

1753
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:28,960
ultra-terrestrial

1754
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,000
more of a being that is here

1755
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,040
with us but from some other dimension

1756
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:37,760
that is now occupying our space as well

1757
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,640
so a little bit a little bit outside the

1758
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:42,000
box

1759
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,280
are they are they here to

1760
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:47,679
not all of the stories okay i want to be

1761
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,040
clear here not all the stories are

1762
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:51,040
frightening and not all of them are

1763
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,640
benevolent um and so as you read through

1764
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:55,679
the book

1765
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,400
you kind of go hmm a little bit are they

1766
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,560
here to help us are they here to harm us

1767
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,719
are they here to scare us

1768
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:04,640
you know what what ultimately is the

1769
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:07,840
agenda because the book goes both ways

1770
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,040
it does because i i think each

1771
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:14,159
shadow entity has their own agenda now

1772
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,120
whether they're

1773
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,159
a part of a group that has an agenda or

1774
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,159
doing something on their own

1775
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,760
you know that's something that takes you

1776
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,360
know additional research and

1777
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,920
investigation to try to figure out but

1778
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,080
yeah you're right there are some that

1779
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,080
sure they're up to no good they're

1780
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,800
mean nasty nefarious and and sure you

1781
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,080
can use the word evil

1782
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,239
and there are others that come along and

1783
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:38,719
are rather benevolent in nature so it's

1784
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,000
a mix of both and trying to

1785
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,719
you can't just have one experience with

1786
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,080
a shadow entity and

1787
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:48,239
and just put a stamp on it you know this

1788
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:49,440
was a shadow entity

1789
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,120
it you know it's malevolent whatever

1790
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:56,400
it it takes a lot more trying to deduce

1791
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,600
and figure out

1792
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,199
what that is because a lot of times what

1793
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:01,040
happens is somebody sees

1794
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,320
a shadow it's dark you know usually

1795
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:06,320
it is a darker setting and people see

1796
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,360
them during the day too

1797
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:09,120
but a lot of times they see them at a

1798
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,400
nighttime setting

1799
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:12,080
we fear it we don't understand so

1800
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,520
therefore we

1801
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,520
automatically deduce it's dark it must

1802
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:17,520
be evil etc but

1803
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:20,320
a lot of times people just when they

1804
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:21,920
witness these things they're just

1805
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,719
observing and watching which okay you

1806
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,640
might be invading their space a little

1807
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,400
bit because they were not invited

1808
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:30,320
in but what were they really doing

1809
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:31,679
besides watching

1810
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:35,199
well and it it kind of goes both ways

1811
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,800
maybe we're invading their space right

1812
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,880
well and it could it could be you know i

1813
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,199
i do postulate that at

1814
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,600
some point in the book that you know if

1815
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:46,560
these are

1816
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,159
interdimensional beings that have been

1817
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,040
here long since before humanity then

1818
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,239
perhaps yeah we are the invaders to

1819
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:56,080
their territory yeah they show up and

1820
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,520
you and i are there they're like what

1821
01:15:02,790 --> 01:14:59,280
are you guys doing here

1822
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:02,800
right wait what are you doing here

1823
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:06,000
and uh it's an accidental startle

1824
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:09,840
right where this interdimensionality

1825
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,719
aspect comes into this where

1826
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:14,960
both sides are coming into focus when

1827
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,840
normally

1828
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:18,000
maybe they don't see us right they're in

1829
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:19,280
their world

1830
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:22,000
we normally don't see them we are in our

1831
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:22,480
world

1832
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,320
but then they suddenly uh cross over

1833
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:28,239
and we're able to see each other for

1834
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,120
these brief moments

1835
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:33,280
yeah exactly and i think a lot of times

1836
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:34,960
what's what's happening here

1837
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:38,080
and i get a little bit into

1838
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:42,560
time within the book there'll be other

1839
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,760
other books that i write that get a

1840
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,600
little bit more uh they'll get deeper

1841
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,320
into this

1842
01:15:50,830 --> 01:15:48,880
but you know i believe that time is

1843
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:50,840
working concurrently past present

1844
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,600
future and if you take a certain

1845
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,120
location like where i'm sitting right

1846
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,800
right now or where you're sitting uh

1847
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,960
jimmy and you just kind of stack up

1848
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,800
every single moment that has happened is

1849
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:03,120
happening it will happen

1850
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:05,920
you know you end up with this large i

1851
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:07,679
call it stack time theory

1852
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:10,159
it's really and doing a lot of research

1853
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,800
later on

1854
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:13,280
you know discover that oh well einstein

1855
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:14,800
was talking about a lot of this in his

1856
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:16,080
space-time continuum

1857
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,400
but in any case uh i believe what

1858
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:20,800
happens sometimes is there's two moments

1859
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:24,080
in that stack that for whatever reason

1860
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:24,880
we don't know

1861
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:27,440
suddenly are resonating at the same

1862
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,600
frequency so we end up with these

1863
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,679
blending of dimensions when we see these

1864
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:33,280
different time slips and that could be

1865
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,640
where some of these

1866
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,480
shadow entities are coming from is that

1867
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:38,000
we're suddenly you know

1868
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,440
we're able to see them they're able to

1869
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:41,760
see us for a brief moment because

1870
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,000
of this you know vibration this

1871
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:46,400
frequency this frequency change to

1872
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,560
you know just for a brief moment at the

1873
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:50,480
exact same rate

1874
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:53,920
now um in tanya's uh uh

1875
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,480
she's actually um you know in the book

1876
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:58,400
uh in a couple of spots but

1877
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:01,920
tonya's story um we're we're going to be

1878
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:04,159
talking about ets and aliens tonight

1879
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:07,600
and and and fold this over into the men

1880
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:08,719
in black

1881
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:12,080
which i find very interesting and in

1882
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:15,600
tanya's uh encounter

1883
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,679
um she describes no facial features

1884
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:22,159
i believe you can correct me um if i'm

1885
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:23,040
wrong

1886
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:27,040
but that her experience

1887
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:30,880
the person did appear to have

1888
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:34,480
uh a hat maybe even a top hat

1889
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:37,920
but a cape or or a coat

1890
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:40,159
which said to me men in black you know

1891
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:41,440
in a company

1892
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,400
later when when men in black got

1893
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:46,480
popularized the first virgins of men

1894
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,760
in black were shadow people and a lot of

1895
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:51,840
people don't know that part of uh the

1896
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,080
history and we're going to get into that

1897
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,560
but tell us about tanya and what what

1898
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,719
she saw it really sets the tone for the

1899
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,000
book

1900
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,360
yeah yeah with tanya um like you were

1901
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:05,360
saying you know she had witnessed this

1902
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,280
uh this shadow entity uh in her room

1903
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,520
was wearing the top hat you know again

1904
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:13,440
no facial features was wearing what

1905
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:14,719
seemed like a cape

1906
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:16,960
uh she had discovered that the house

1907
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:18,560
there had once been one eye jack's

1908
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:19,679
mortuary so

1909
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,120
you know she had to ask herself you know

1910
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:23,920
was this actually one-eyed jack

1911
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:27,280
so it kind of you know starts making you

1912
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:28,239
question okay

1913
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:30,640
are these things humans was it the

1914
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:32,719
mortician from way back in the day or

1915
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:33,920
like you said jimmy

1916
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:36,400
was this an actual man in black episode

1917
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,600
you you start

1918
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:39,199
getting that because with these hat

1919
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,719
wearing entities they wear all kinds of

1920
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:42,239
different hats whether it's the top hat

1921
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:43,280
or the fedora

1922
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:46,239
i've heard ones wearing a uh one with an

1923
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,840
archer hat which is really bizarre a

1924
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:49,360
wide brim hat so they wear a lot of

1925
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:50,719
these different things

1926
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:54,080
uh and we don't necessarily know why

1927
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:56,000
but uh hers was interesting it was like

1928
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:58,080
the full regalia with the top hat and

1929
01:19:02,310 --> 01:18:59,040
the cape

1930
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:02,320
and and then we uh let's let's

1931
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:05,679
jump over to albert bender because

1932
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:08,560
um that's a story you know when it comes

1933
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,000
to ufology

1934
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:13,199
we we all know about albert bender

1935
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:15,920
and and the men in black and his

1936
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:16,640
encounter

1937
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:19,600
and how he how he walked away and then

1938
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,239
came back

1939
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:22,719
later in life and recounting the story

1940
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:23,760
again

1941
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,080
but um his well okay who was albert

1942
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:29,600
bender

1943
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:33,040
talking a bit about this at the laughlin

1944
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:33,600
ufo

1945
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,600
uh mega conference uh because his story

1946
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,679
is fascinating and

1947
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,440
so for those that don't know albert kate

1948
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:41,280
bender because his story takes

1949
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:44,000
place back in the 1950s uh during the

1950
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:47,360
big ufo flap 1952 he started the

1951
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,719
uh international flying soccer bureau

1952
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,880
and you know it became very prolific

1953
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:54,159
they ended up with

1954
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:57,520
divisions offices uh across the globe

1955
01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:00,159
and he was you know producing these new

1956
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:01,440
newsletters having these different

1957
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,080
meetings

1958
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:04,719
and people reporting all this different

1959
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:06,719
activity they're trying to make sense of

1960
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:09,760
what's going on and as

1961
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:12,320
this organization began to grow he

1962
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:13,280
started

1963
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:17,280
uh becoming visited by these different

1964
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:20,159
entities and the way he described it was

1965
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:20,800
these

1966
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:23,840
uh three dark figures

1967
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:26,239
materializing into his room you know

1968
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:26,880
they

1969
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:30,880
eyes and

1970
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:33,679
when i first heard this story i'm not

1971
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:34,560
thinking

1972
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,000
even though i'd heard of men in black of

1973
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,800
course uh i'm not thinking men in black

1974
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:40,960
and i'm not thinking extraterrestrials

1975
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:42,960
which is what he thought they were

1976
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:45,520
my brain immediately went to shadow

1977
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:46,000
people because

1978
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:48,480
i've heard so many stories about these

1979
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:50,719
shadow entities looking exactly like

1980
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:51,040
that

1981
01:20:55,229 --> 01:20:53,840
so uh it it does cause me to question

1982
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,239
okay men in black

1983
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:57,280
extraterrestrials hat wearing shadow

1984
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,880
entities are these all one in the same

1985
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:00,480
thing and

1986
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:03,920
he can he be credited with coining

1987
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:07,440
the term men in black

1988
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:09,040
i think that would be great barker

1989
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,040
actually because uh great barker when he

1990
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:13,360
uh i can't remember the title the name

1991
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,000
of his book he came out in the 1950s

1992
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:19,120
he cited uh albert cape bender's story

1993
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:20,560
within his book

1994
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:22,000
um and i believe he's the one that

1995
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,280
actually called them men in black and

1996
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,199
then albert k bender finally

1997
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:27,040
published his book in the early 60s to

1998
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:28,639
explain the entire story

1999
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:32,400
now and this is what is so interesting

2000
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:35,040
about what happened to albert in that

2001
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:36,080
these entities

2002
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:39,600
show up and we get full detail from

2003
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,239
albert

2004
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,239
many years later but this was in the

2005
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:43,760
early 50s

2006
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,480
and they show up and they warn them

2007
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:48,639
about the ufo subject

2008
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:52,320
right so shadow people yes men in black

2009
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,760
yes possibly all these are but they are

2010
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:57,840
telling him

2011
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:00,960
to to to get off the ufo subject

2012
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,840
that is pretty interesting yeah yeah

2013
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,360
they basically threatened him now what's

2014
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:06,960
interesting is they actually

2015
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:10,080
um showed him some some additional

2016
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:11,840
details and i don't include this part

2017
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,239
in my brief section on albert kate

2018
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:16,320
bender in my book but they actually

2019
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,760
uh you know showed him some of the

2020
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:19,760
different things that that they were

2021
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:22,400
doing uh but yeah they they warned him

2022
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,040
off of

2023
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,159
actually reporting the activity and so

2024
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,159
he did stop for a good 10 years

2025
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:30,320
10 years i mean they scared the crap out

2026
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:31,679
of them

2027
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:35,040
right and and did this

2028
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:38,159
is this the progenator

2029
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:41,600
of uh the method of operation of men in

2030
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,480
black

2031
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:45,120
right the way that albert uh described

2032
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:45,920
it

2033
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,480
uh later in in i think his book came out

2034
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:50,560
in 1960

2035
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,239
but what happened in 1952 1953 with him

2036
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:56,560
with these three men in black

2037
01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:59,600
pretty much spelled out everything that

2038
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,840
happened after that

2039
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:03,280
yeah you started hearing a lot more of

2040
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,800
the men in black stories now there were

2041
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:06,480
men in black stories uh

2042
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,080
prior uh to that time but it just

2043
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,120
seemed like once once great barker

2044
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:15,040
came out with his book started reporting

2045
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,199
you know more of this activity it became

2046
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:19,040
more wide known you started hearing more

2047
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:19,600
and more

2048
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:21,760
of these stories about the men in black

2049
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:23,360
and of course people also

2050
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,400
question okay are are men in black

2051
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,239
part of some shadowy government

2052
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:30,880
organization there's that too

2053
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:32,480
and i know for a fact that they exist

2054
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:35,199
having spent a little time at nsa so

2055
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,719
they do exist

2056
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,480
um but you know we're talking about

2057
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,320
something else other than

2058
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:42,960
uh actual government agents hey you just

2059
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:43,600
okay

2060
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:45,280
you said it i didn't want to bring this

2061
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:46,960
up

2062
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:50,400
but you just slipped yeah i think i did

2063
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,189
uh did you say a little time at the nsa

2064
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,440
i i did spend a little time at nsa you

2065
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:01,440
know you look spookish by the way

2066
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,760
i'm just gonna let you know uh what'd

2067
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:05,360
you do for the nsa

2068
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:07,520
yeah well i mean i did for them pretty

2069
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:08,800
much what uh

2070
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:12,320
what i do now i work in the uh computer

2071
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,600
industry and so

2072
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:15,600
that's i was basically supporting the

2073
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,629
so but but i got to see i got to see

2074
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,239
what goes on only spent

2075
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,199
like a couple years there and um it was

2076
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,120
definitely interesting it's a whole

2077
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,560
different world there

2078
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:31,280
and um i'd tell you more jimmy but then

2079
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:32,000
i'd have to kill you

2080
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,679
yeah i know i know i know i know you

2081
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:35,920
know everybody just leaned forward what

2082
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:36,480
what did

2083
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:39,600
did he say yes he did

2084
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:42,159
um i would like to know at some point

2085
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:42,719
more

2086
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:49,280
think do you think that

2087
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:52,719
your employers are aware of not only

2088
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:55,679
like this show but the things that you

2089
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:56,639
talk about

2090
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:59,040
you know are they interested in any of

2091
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:00,159
this

2092
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:03,199
well yeah my current employer uh yeah

2093
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:04,719
you know some of the people that i work

2094
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:05,120
with

2095
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:08,239
and uh work for have taken an interest

2096
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,199
in this there was

2097
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:12,239
uh one employer that worked with uh

2098
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,440
or worked for several years ago that

2099
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,520
uh they were doing lunch and learn

2100
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,040
sessions you know sit down you know

2101
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,960
bring a bag lunch and we'll go over some

2102
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:23,040
technology that's in shop and you know

2103
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:25,040
somebody on the team will do the

2104
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,320
presentation so

2105
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:28,639
it got to be my turn and so i'm like

2106
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,920
okay what do you guys want me to you

2107
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,880
know do for the

2108
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:32,400
for the lunch and learn you're like oh

2109
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:34,000
we want you to talk about ghosts right

2110
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:34,639
right

2111
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:38,320
well and and so which is cool

2112
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:40,719
but when you're when you're hanging out

2113
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:43,840
with a bunch of the folks from the nsa

2114
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:46,159
do you ever take the opportunity to just

2115
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:47,199
you know

2116
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:48,800
weave into the conversation so what

2117
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:51,520
about the ufos what do you guys know

2118
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,560
where where are the ufo files at

2119
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:56,480
yeah i don't talk to a lot of those guys

2120
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:58,719
anymore that's a good 25 years ago

2121
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,840
um but when i was there

2122
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,000
it was around the time that uh

2123
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:06,320
independence day was out and so

2124
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,520
you know my uh my then wife ex-wife

2125
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,760
uh now we're you know we'd watch that

2126
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,120
movie with some friends and

2127
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,760
so yeah it piqued my curiosity of course

2128
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:17,280
and i'd already had an interest anyway

2129
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,320
so i'm like well

2130
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:20,320
i'm actually i'm in nsa let me do a

2131
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:21,520
little poking around

2132
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,239
and you know i have i had a top secret

2133
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,159
security clearance but you know

2134
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:28,560
those that have been involved with that

2135
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:30,000
know that just because you have a top

2136
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:31,520
secret clearance that doesn't open every

2137
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,560
door for you

2138
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,920
um there are certain you know

2139
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:35,679
compartments i had a ts sbi

2140
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,920
clearance in the the letters you know

2141
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:39,520
mean different compartments but even if

2142
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:39,760
you

2143
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,360
still have to have a need to know to

2144
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,280
actually get into the information

2145
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:47,280
and so it was one of those i'm doing a

2146
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:48,480
little poking around

2147
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:49,920
and i'm seeing okay yeah there's

2148
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:51,840
something going on over here

2149
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:53,679
but i couldn't necessarily get into it

2150
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:55,040
because you know my function was

2151
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,480
computer support

2152
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:59,280
not you know the intelligence side of it

2153
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:00,159
just so

2154
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:04,159
uh search bar nsa database did you ever

2155
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:05,520
type in ufo

2156
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,110
uh we laughed we kid what did and and

2157
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:15,199
what popped up did the computer

2158
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:16,719
did you have a couple of guys show up in

2159
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,239
the office and

2160
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:21,360
and say you can no longer search that

2161
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:24,639
you know what what what'd you find out

2162
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:27,840
um i know i'm i i know i'm i'm going

2163
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,440
into a zone that

2164
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:31,120
but but hey yeah i have to be real

2165
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:32,639
careful but

2166
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:35,120
but you know how often do i get to a

2167
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:35,760
quiz

2168
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:39,440
uh an ex-nsa employee it doesn't matter

2169
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:41,360
how long ago it was

2170
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:43,440
um i've got to ask these questions or

2171
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:44,960
i'm not doing my job

2172
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:48,159
right of course of course um i like

2173
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,840
like i said i could see that okay there

2174
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,520
stuff would come up but i couldn't

2175
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,679
necessarily get into it but

2176
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,199
jimmy i know you're going to be there at

2177
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:59,199
the uh the ufo megacon

2178
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,719
so we'll talk a little off about that

2179
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:02,800
man i can't wait i can't wait

2180
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:05,840
okay so uh how did we oh you're the one

2181
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:06,639
that slipped

2182
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,920
okay all right i don't know when that

2183
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:09,760
slipped yeah you you opened that door we

2184
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:12,159
started talking men in black

2185
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:15,199
and and and so back to this so albert

2186
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:19,360
um uh uh about 10 years later a decade

2187
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:20,400
later

2188
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:24,080
he decides to come clean and do his

2189
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:25,280
tell-all

2190
01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:28,320
on not only 1952 but what went on

2191
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:30,159
in his life with the men in black and

2192
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:32,239
why he had to

2193
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:35,440
because he was at that point uh he was

2194
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:36,400
one of the most

2195
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,239
noted uh people in ufology and

2196
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,080
he not only had his organization but

2197
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:43,920
people listen to him he did a lot of

2198
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,239
speaking and then poof he disappears

2199
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:48,239
so he comes back and says hey you know

2200
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:49,520
the men in black

2201
01:28:54,790 --> 01:28:51,280
told me i had to stop talking about the

2202
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:54,800
ufo subject and this is why

2203
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,679
yeah exactly he i mean basically he was

2204
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,199
the man you know everybody was

2205
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:02,400
was looking to him there are uh tons of

2206
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:03,760
people all over the world

2207
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,320
you know uh uk australia they were

2208
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:08,960
jumping on board with this organization

2209
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:11,120
and you know feeding him all of this

2210
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:13,199
information he's compiling it putting it

2211
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,000
all together

2212
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:16,480
and then you know disseminating it back

2213
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,320
out so yeah albert k bender

2214
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:20,480
was the man there for you know a good

2215
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:23,360
year and a half almost two years and

2216
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:25,040
yeah he suddenly went poof and nobody

2217
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:26,800
knew why uh

2218
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:29,040
you know he he gave some information

2219
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,719
there to great barker but

2220
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:33,120
um yeah he was he was away from the

2221
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,480
scene basically

2222
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:36,719
you know fearing his his own safety

2223
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:38,960
because these

2224
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:41,600
these entities told him to to stop but

2225
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:42,719
there were going to be

2226
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:46,400
uh consequences and uh he he did he was

2227
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:49,840
um i guess he got to the point in which

2228
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:52,000
well they had also told him in one of

2229
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:53,199
the conversations if

2230
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,560
you read his book it gets like really

2231
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,960
detailed into uh the different

2232
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:58,800
the different information that they told

2233
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them because they actually did visit

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more than

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than the one time and so they

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had told him that they were going to be

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here for about

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15 years they were harvesting some

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resources

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out of uh the water from our oceans and

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then they would be

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gone so i guess it got to the point in

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which he felt it was safe to be able to

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talk about again that they were gone

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we need to take our break right here

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mike so let's get that in this

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is fade to block we're going to continue

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albert bender

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men in black and shadow people and all

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of this is going to

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get tied together into the physics of

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our world this is fate of black i'm your

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more with mike after this short break

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jimmy church

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church our guest tonight mike

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rick sucker and uh before we get back to

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mike i want to talk to you about

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we've all seen the bunker i just posted

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a picture of

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uh the new bunker up on uh twitter you

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can see how many computers i run here

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everything runs its own vpn i'm in a

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secret location nobody knows where i'm

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at

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until now with mike ricksucker and the

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nsa are closing in quickly but

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it's going to be difficult because i

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have my own vpn there

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is a strict no logs policy with virtual

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you straight there

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off today do it now you need your own

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rick sucker now mike

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i want to i want to get back to um to uh

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01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:43,199
albert bender for a second because

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01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:47,119
his experience with the men in black and

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01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:49,600
we're talking about shadow people

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01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:52,719
um they talked to him about ufos

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01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:55,520
okay we understand that but it's how

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01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:56,000
they

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appeared in his home multiple times

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they tell us about that part of it

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01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:05,360
because that's when you start to think

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01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:08,320
wait a minute here uh the shadow people

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01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,280
connection is

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01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,679
very obvious how did they appear in his

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house

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01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,840
yeah it's uh it's really interesting and

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01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:17,360
very strikingly uh

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01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:19,199
similar to a lot of the the shadow of

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01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:20,639
people reports uh

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01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:22,320
the the most distinct times are when

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they showed up at

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three entities wearing you know they're

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very dark in nature

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they're wearing the the hats basically

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like like a fedora

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01:36:36,109 --> 01:36:35,280
and they had these glowing eyes and they

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01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,119
would basically

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materialize into the room and then they

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01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:40,080
would communicate with him

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telepathically and and those that have

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these

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01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,280
uh shadow people experiences that

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actually have them communicate

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01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:50,080
is usually via some sort of telepathy

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01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:51,679
because you know these shadows they

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01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:53,199
don't have mouths they don't have the

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the

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facial details and what's also

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01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:58,800
interesting he had most of his

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01:37:03,830 --> 01:36:59,840
experiences with the

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with the three but he also had a brief

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encounter with just a shadow passing

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through the room

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01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:10,719
uh singular one and then later on

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01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:13,920
something that he reported was invisible

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01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:16,320
so you know he's had some other

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01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:17,440
encounters here

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01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:20,960
with things that we normally you know

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01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,920
say would be paranormal in nature so

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01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:25,520
we're seeing a lot of these similarities

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01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:27,119
between okay well he's reporting as an

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et experience

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to what we usually report as a

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paranormal experience

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01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:35,520
and um there's another part to this

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01:37:42,149 --> 01:37:38,880
which is the mist i want to get into

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uh entanglement and physics and

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01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:43,199
everything else

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01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:46,000
but i think that everything is connected

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01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:46,639
and

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your experience with the mist um

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01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:53,600
and i want to get into that right now um

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01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:56,719
is the mist something that manifests

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01:38:00,629 --> 01:37:59,840
like going back to bender uh does the

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01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:00,639
mist

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01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:04,159
uh turn into a humanoid figure

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01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,800
or does the mist stay because i've

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01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:08,880
looked at all of your images

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01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,639
um and i would think

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01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,719
i'm almost looking at a humanoid figure

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01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:16,639
sometimes with the mist

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01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:20,400
so uh tell us about your experience

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01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:21,840
yeah i've had i've had a couple of

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01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:25,040
experiences with with the mist

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01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:28,159
and i mentioned one of those encounters

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01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,639
earlier

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01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,400
in that rolling black smoke which was

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01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:32,239
basically like a mist

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01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:33,920
that morphed into the apparition of a

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little girl

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01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:37,199
another encounter that i had with that

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01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:38,880
was at a

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a house that we were investigating where

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01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:42,639
the

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01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:47,520
that she was experiencing

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01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,920
what she described as a red-eyed shadow

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01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:50,880
entity

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01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,679
uh that usually showed up in her closet

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01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:55,440
and also appeared other places

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01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:57,840
was this at the home in oklahoma this

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01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:59,360
was at the home in oklahoma yeah okay

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01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:00,560
okay

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01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:03,760
and during one of our investigations

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01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:05,520
the cat's running around like crazy and

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01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:07,119
i end up following it

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01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,480
it stopped right in front of her door

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01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:12,719
i saw why it stopped at the door it was

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01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:13,760
because there was this

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01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:16,480
giant mist that was right in the middle

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01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:17,760
of the bedroom

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01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:20,960
and it it ended up dissipating away but

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01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:23,600
you know i always wondered okay was this

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01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,080
mist

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01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,760
trying to form into that

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01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:29,679
shadow entity with the red eyes or maybe

2453
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:31,520
it had been in the room as the shadow

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01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:33,119
entity with red eyes was dissipating

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01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:33,760
away

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01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:35,280
into that mist and then finally

2457
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:37,040
completely gone all together

2458
01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:40,000
it's very similar to what albert

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01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:41,199
described

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01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,920
and i keep going back to this because of

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01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:45,920
his background with ufos

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01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:49,119
but this is a noted intellectual

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01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:51,920
having these experiences and they sound

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01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:52,400
so

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01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:55,679
similar to uh others

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01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:58,719
uh including yourself the glowing eyes

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01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:01,840
you know the manifestation in in a room

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01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:04,159
and it goes back to albert bender and

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01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:06,080
and i think that there may be a ufo

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01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:08,080
connection here

2471
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:10,400
yeah there certainly could be some sort

2472
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,960
of uh ufo connection here and that's

2473
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,520
what he ended up reporting of course you

2474
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:17,119
know with his involvement

2475
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,320
uh with the flying saucer um you know

2476
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:22,080
flap that they called it uh back there

2477
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,440
in the 1950s

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01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:25,360
and that they were actually telling him

2479
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,880
you know you need to

2480
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,560
you know stop what you're doing with

2481
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:29,920
this research

2482
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:33,679
uh but then we see in today's society

2483
01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:36,159
these these same things happening

2484
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,840
whether you know they're wearing the hat

2485
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:39,600
whether they have the glowing eyes

2486
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:42,560
very very similar to what he described i

2487
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:43,600
think if we

2488
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:45,920
uh you know go back through throughout

2489
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:46,800
time

2490
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,800
uh we'll know we'll notice that you know

2491
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:53,040
this is nothing new you know this is not

2492
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:54,239
something that's just been going on in

2493
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,119
the last 10

2494
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:57,520
20 years you know it goes even further

2495
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:58,239
back than

2496
01:41:02,310 --> 01:41:00,800
than albert k bender you look into uh

2497
01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:02,320
ancient history and you see that they

2498
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,239
were reporting it back then as well

2499
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:06,480
i remember uh this is probably eight

2500
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:08,080
years ago on the show

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01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:11,199
but i was talking about uh

2502
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,199
some of the egyptian artwork

2503
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:18,000
uh and carvings on the walls there and i

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01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,560
noted

2505
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:20,159
uh the different colors and i said wait

2506
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:21,840
a minute you know they

2507
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,320
they were they were they were carving

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01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,400
shadow people

2509
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:28,800
yeah and i i made a big thing about it

2510
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,679
and and

2511
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:31,679
and i had so many researchers come back

2512
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:33,600
well it's this this this and this and

2513
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:34,560
chemet and

2514
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:37,360
chematology and black and there's all of

2515
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:38,480
the symbology

2516
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:41,040
that is involved there okay that's fine

2517
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:42,480
i'm not educated

2518
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:44,239
but that looks like a shadow person to

2519
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:45,760
me i mean that's with

2520
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:48,639
oh by the way um here's you at eight

2521
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:50,159
years old i just wanted to

2522
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:52,000
show this to you oh yeah there you go

2523
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:54,080
yeah yeah exactly i had this here in the

2524
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:54,880
bunker and i

2525
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:57,119
i just wanted to just yeah the crooked

2526
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:58,560
flail there you go

2527
01:42:01,830 --> 01:42:00,320
uh but yeah you're you're right you look

2528
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:01,840
at um

2529
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:03,840
some of that artwork and you can see the

2530
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:05,520
the shadow entities there

2531
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:10,000
um oh i forget the uh the name of the uh

2532
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:11,199
the person's tune but it's one of the

2533
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:14,719
tombs there at luxor and you see the

2534
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,600
shadow entity

2535
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:17,280
right there on the wall there the bob

2536
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:18,880
birds are in the

2537
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:21,360
uh depiction as well but there's this

2538
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:23,280
shadow person standing right there

2539
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:26,239
by a tomb and uh the egyptians had their

2540
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:27,840
belief of the seven different parts of

2541
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:28,400
the soul

2542
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,639
and there were two parts that stayed

2543
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:32,560
here on earth while the other

2544
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,320
five went off to the constellation of

2545
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:36,000
orion and

2546
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:39,040
one was the cod the animating part of

2547
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:41,760
uh of the soul and then there was the

2548
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:42,800
kbit or

2549
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:46,080
the shadow and those two were left here

2550
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,440
to roam and there are a handful of

2551
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:51,280
uh pieces of artwork in which you can

2552
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:53,199
see the depiction of that

2553
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,719
shadow that is left here on earth now

2554
01:43:02,149 --> 01:42:59,360
uh the the other part of this where

2555
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:02,159
everything starts to come together

2556
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:05,360
is today

2557
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:07,760
we do have physics and science but

2558
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,000
there's other phenomena that are

2559
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:11,920
happening to at the same time it's it's

2560
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:13,760
the mandela effect there seems to be

2561
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:14,719
some kind of time

2562
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,920
slippage going on we may have parallel

2563
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:19,679
worlds colliding

2564
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:22,880
um things that are altering um but these

2565
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:23,760
are

2566
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:25,679
suggestions from science and from

2567
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,040
physics today

2568
01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:30,000
which is starting to uh bring the world

2569
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:31,840
of the supernatural and paranormal

2570
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:32,800
together

2571
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,840
although physicists and theoretical

2572
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:37,119
physicists

2573
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:40,239
will will not necessarily go there

2574
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:43,199
but they are strongly suggesting it and

2575
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:44,560
one of the quotes that you have in the

2576
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:45,280
book from

2577
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:48,800
um uh john barrow who's a theoretical

2578
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:50,000
physicist and somebody that i've

2579
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:51,760
followed for a very long time

2580
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,440
this is his quote that you have in the

2581
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,199
book quote

2582
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:58,080
it has long been recognized that techno

2583
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,119
technological

2584
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:02,000
civilizations only a little more

2585
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:02,880
advanced

2586
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:06,239
than ours will have the capacity to

2587
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:07,040
simulate

2588
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:10,639
universes in which self-conscious

2589
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:14,159
entities can emerge and communicate

2590
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:21,430
how much more clear do we need to be

2591
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:24,320
yeah exactly you know we're we're seeing

2592
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:25,520
you know we've been seeing this for a

2593
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:26,320
while now

2594
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:28,159
with artificial intelligence of course

2595
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,440
we saw it play out

2596
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:31,040
in the movie the matrix and there's

2597
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,960
there's other you know similar you know

2598
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:34,320
science fiction uh

2599
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:36,800
you know movies of that that go down the

2600
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:39,040
route of artificial intelligence

2601
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:42,480
and you know we you know as far as and

2602
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:43,119
we're talking

2603
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:45,040
basically living in a simulation

2604
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,239
simulated universe

2605
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:48,320
and what's interesting to me about that

2606
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:50,080
is um

2607
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:52,080
is that you know basically we've been

2608
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,679
talking about this for

2609
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,440
thousands and thousands of years it's in

2610
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:56,960
our religion they don't call it a

2611
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:58,080
simulation

2612
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,960
but when religion talks about you know

2613
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:02,719
whether it's reincarnation we go off

2614
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,280
somewhere

2615
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:05,360
after we pass away we come back we're

2616
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:07,360
here to learn something we pass again

2617
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,800
come back and it's this whole cycle we

2618
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:10,400
keep coming back coming back

2619
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:12,560
um other religions talking about we're

2620
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:14,480
here preparing to go on somewhere else

2621
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,840
we've been somewhere else before we're

2622
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:17,520
here now preparing for something and we

2623
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:18,159
go on

2624
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,520
so it's the same concept of a simulation

2625
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:23,199
they just don't call the simulation

2626
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:26,800
in religious texts and i think

2627
01:45:30,070 --> 01:45:28,480
you know i mean borrow's right you know

2628
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:30,080
there's going to be you know

2629
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:32,480
a few years down the road we've seen how

2630
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:35,119
fast technology has escalated here

2631
01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:36,560
in the years i mean think about where we

2632
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,199
were 20 years ago 40 years ago we are so

2633
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,199
far more advanced now and it's going to

2634
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:43,440
keep getting faster and faster

2635
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:45,679
you know it's um it's just going to be

2636
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:47,920
absolutely insane the technology we're

2637
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:50,000
going to see 10 or 20 years from now

2638
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,920
and you're already seeing us you know

2639
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,119
integrate with

2640
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:55,440
um like augmented reality on your phone

2641
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:57,440
i mean we're calling them filters now

2642
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:59,199
you know it's kind of simplistic you see

2643
01:46:03,030 --> 01:45:59,920
it on

2644
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:03,040
snapchat or um you know instagram

2645
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:06,239
you know that's just the beginning of

2646
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:06,639
where

2647
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:08,800
this is going you're gonna have a

2648
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,000
complete

2649
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:12,480
makeover people are you know going to be

2650
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:13,760
walking around with the

2651
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,639
you know vr uh implementations all the

2652
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,320
time and seeing an entirely

2653
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,040
different world than what's actual the

2654
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:23,280
physical reality and people are going to

2655
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:26,239
start to not really be sure okay what's

2656
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:27,280
actually real

2657
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:29,360
what's the simulations will almost be

2658
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:31,119
like a simulation in the simulation

2659
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:33,920
at that point well you won't know the

2660
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:35,360
difference

2661
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,520
right exactly you simply won't know the

2662
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:38,960
difference and what

2663
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:42,560
what barrow uh suggests here

2664
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:46,560
is if this is indeed the case

2665
01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:50,000
right where another technically advanced

2666
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:51,679
civilization

2667
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,239
is running some ginormous computer and a

2668
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:56,080
simulation and creating your own

2669
01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:57,280
universe

2670
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:01,280
then by default by proxy

2671
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:03,199
some of these entities that we are

2672
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:04,480
seeing today

2673
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,520
would be e.t right i mean that's the

2674
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:09,840
only conclusion to come to

2675
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,719
yeah yeah they would be from you could

2676
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,320
call them extraterrestrials

2677
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:16,639
uh you know if you go back to the if

2678
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:18,000
people want to relate to the matrix

2679
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:18,880
movies these would be

2680
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:21,679
almost like the agents uh people that

2681
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:23,440
are familiar with massively multiplayer

2682
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:24,000
online

2683
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:26,080
games it would be like a game master

2684
01:47:30,310 --> 01:47:27,119
coming into

2685
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:30,320
the simulated world uh so yeah it's it's

2686
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:32,560
all of these different type of concepts

2687
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:36,080
and when it comes to shadow entities is

2688
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:38,080
that what we're already seeing

2689
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,520
is this shadow entity a

2690
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:44,400
an entity or a i guess person or a

2691
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,199
visage

2692
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:47,760
from that external world that has come

2693
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:48,239
down

2694
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:51,520
into the simulation to interact or again

2695
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:53,199
we see a lot of these are watching

2696
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:56,400
and observing are they maybe you know

2697
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:58,719
taking some sort of readings or making

2698
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,080
some sort of observations

2699
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:02,639
as to how we are interacting within the

2700
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:03,600
simulation

2701
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:06,239
almost uh another consideration would be

2702
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:06,719
like an

2703
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:10,480
npc yeah exactly

2704
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:12,880
a non-player character exactly not

2705
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:14,719
necessarily intelligent

2706
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:17,119
right we've seen that before but

2707
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:18,080
something that

2708
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:19,600
it could just be a bot that's been

2709
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:21,520
placed in to gather information

2710
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:24,080
that you interact with that you can

2711
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:25,119
interact with exactly

2712
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:27,440
that's a that's a scary and we always go

2713
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:28,560
back to the matrix and

2714
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,000
and talk about how uh the matrix

2715
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,639
is is turned out to be a documentary

2716
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:36,800
right it's not necessarily in so many

2717
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:37,280
ways

2718
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:41,119
this

2719
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:45,520
when um others like elon musk there are

2720
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:49,360
many uh executives in silicon valley in

2721
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:50,639
positions of

2722
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:53,600
uh being in the know when it comes to

2723
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:55,119
engineering and ai

2724
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:57,119
and the possibilities of what computer

2725
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,400
chips can do

2726
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:00,719
and of course nick bostrom uh we'll talk

2727
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,800
about that more in just a second

2728
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:04,960
but when they talk about the possibility

2729
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:07,440
of living in a simulation

2730
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:10,719
you have to consider where what the

2731
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:12,840
world is that they are in

2732
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:15,920
right they they don't

2733
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:19,679
they don't really um they don't question

2734
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:20,320
it

2735
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:23,840
there

2736
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:27,199
that's not crazy talk anymore is it

2737
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,480
no not at all and you know

2738
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:32,400
people that are in these high-tech

2739
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,760
fields are already

2740
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:35,280
interacting with so many different

2741
01:49:39,669 --> 01:49:36,800
simulations i mean a guy like

2742
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:39,679
elon musk with uh with spacex i mean how

2743
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:40,719
many times

2744
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:44,239
have they run through the simulations

2745
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:46,560
of you know going to the space stations

2746
01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:48,159
you know they're going to be going to

2747
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:50,000
mars you you bet they've already

2748
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:51,920
you know simulated that and how it would

2749
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:53,840
work out and so they're spending a lot

2750
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:56,000
of their life in a simulator to try to

2751
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:56,960
figure out

2752
01:50:01,990 --> 01:50:00,080
how we're going to do all this so yeah

2753
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:02,000
they have first-hand perspective of how

2754
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:05,280
a simulation works and i i think because

2755
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:06,000
of that

2756
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:08,159
it's kind of put the light bulb on for

2757
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:09,199
them like hey

2758
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:10,719
we're actually already in a simulation

2759
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:12,639
right now ourselves well

2760
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:15,119
when uh nick bostrom started talking

2761
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:16,239
about this

2762
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,320
um it seemed like science fiction he's

2763
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:22,480
coming from a position of intelligence

2764
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:23,760
okay he's

2765
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:26,400
certainly not going to publish this and

2766
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:27,119
talk about it

2767
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,360
unless he had something to back up these

2768
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:31,760
theories and ideas

2769
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,480
when he started that which was almost 20

2770
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:36,800
years ago by the way this wasn't

2771
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:39,760
five years ago the subject was brought

2772
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:40,400
up

2773
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,320
today it's nearly talked about as fact

2774
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:47,040
the possibility of living in a computer

2775
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:53,510
yeah uh and where i included him in the

2776
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:54,639
book he had an interesting

2777
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:57,760
idea there about uh about shadow people

2778
01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:58,800
the way he

2779
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:02,000
termed that is you know there may be

2780
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,840
you know some people that are in this

2781
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:05,440
world they're almost like

2782
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:08,560
filler really which is it's kind of you

2783
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:08,960
know

2784
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:11,679
bad to say i suppose but that it's

2785
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:12,960
almost like a

2786
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:15,840
lower okay let me let me try to put it

2787
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:16,719
this way

2788
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:20,159
um the best way that i can relate it is

2789
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:20,960
in

2790
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,119
flesh it out and make it feel

2791
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:35,840
fuller but they're not they're not a

2792
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:37,440
true player character you can only

2793
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:39,199
interact with it on a

2794
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,840
very limited level and so that's what

2795
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:43,040
he's actually called

2796
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,960
uh shadow people was which is kind of

2797
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,800
interesting and

2798
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:49,199
you know just his description again it's

2799
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:50,320
like another light bulb

2800
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,400
going on oh you know i've interacted

2801
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:54,000
with those type of

2802
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:57,280
entities within a game world

2803
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:59,440
but is that what's actually going on

2804
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:01,199
here as well

2805
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:04,400
and if we if we take this to the next

2806
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:05,040
level

2807
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:07,679
where uh we're talking about the science

2808
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:08,960
and the physics of it

2809
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:13,280
and then we go to the sleep paralysis

2810
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:16,000
nightmare that goes down in your your

2811
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:17,599
bedroom

2812
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:21,199
and the interaction comes in is this a

2813
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:22,320
situation where

2814
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:25,679
physics is suggesting entanglement uh

2815
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:28,800
you know a a parallel world that exists

2816
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:31,599
infinite to our left and to our right

2817
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:33,040
right and different versions of

2818
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:33,599
everything

2819
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,719
is is that physics and the paranormal

2820
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:38,560
colliding

2821
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:40,480
i i think it is but what's funny about

2822
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:42,080
that is you know you could

2823
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,920
you could talk to a physicist about

2824
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:45,679
entanglement in parallel worlds but you

2825
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:46,719
start talking about

2826
01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:49,440
paranormal activity and shadow people

2827
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:50,080
and ghosts

2828
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:52,000
they don't want to talk about it but to

2829
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:54,400
to me they're they're related they're

2830
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:56,400
they're all connected to each other you

2831
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:58,719
know is what we're seeing

2832
01:53:02,310 --> 01:53:01,520
uh in our room if that's where we're

2833
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:02,320
seeing it

2834
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:05,840
is that actually a parallel universe

2835
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:07,280
that is bleeding through

2836
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:09,440
into our world because like you said you

2837
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,440
know with entanglement

2838
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:13,360
are these two things you know connecting

2839
01:53:17,030 --> 01:53:15,040
and having an interaction

2840
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:17,040
uh of course at that same moment with

2841
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:18,400
entanglement they're gonna happen at the

2842
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:20,000
exact same time is that what we're

2843
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:22,080
actually seeing play out

2844
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:26,960
is it uh is it if you were going to

2845
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:30,639
uh take a gamble here are we suggesting

2846
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:33,679
uh the multiverse are we going with hard

2847
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:34,800
science

2848
01:53:38,189 --> 01:53:37,760
or are we gonna go into something else

2849
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:38,199
uh

2850
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:41,440
extraterrestrial with aliens and ets

2851
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:44,480
and a simulated universe which

2852
01:53:49,669 --> 01:53:47,199
which way are you going i mean i think

2853
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,679
it's a mix i i really do i mean i i know

2854
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:51,520
physicists want a nice mathematical

2855
01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:54,560
equation to wrap it all up in a nice bow

2856
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,920
and i don't know if they're ever really

2857
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:57,280
going to get one

2858
01:54:01,030 --> 01:53:59,679
i do think that they're certainly a very

2859
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:01,040
strong component of

2860
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:04,320
of quantum physics mixed into this but

2861
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,800
um you know i definitely believe there

2862
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:08,560
is an extraterrestrial component with it

2863
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,040
i think

2864
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:10,960
you know you have that inner

2865
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:12,719
interdimensional component with it as

2866
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:13,199
well

2867
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:16,480
and you know the the supernatural

2868
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:18,800
when we say the term supernatural um you

2869
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:20,639
know hans holzer had a great quote

2870
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:22,239
there is no supernatural everything that

2871
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:24,239
we're observing is

2872
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:27,520
natural is normal yeah

2873
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:30,880
it's it's a great quote by hans um

2874
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:33,920
but this is for me where things get a

2875
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:35,040
little

2876
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:38,880
uh iffy and scary at the same time

2877
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:41,920
you were physically touched

2878
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:43,599
and you had your hands put across your

2879
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:47,280
chest that's not a world of simulation

2880
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:49,920
that's not what borrow is suggesting

2881
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,119
here that

2882
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:53,440
we may be able to interact but we're

2883
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:55,599
yours was a physical

2884
01:55:02,830 --> 01:54:59,760
thing that wasn't an npc visualization

2885
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:02,840
of an augmented reality of a simulated

2886
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,000
universe

2887
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:06,960
you are now on the physical side physics

2888
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:07,360
right

2889
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:10,880
where it is something that can move your

2890
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:13,360
your your your body you you know what i

2891
01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:14,480
mean so it

2892
01:55:18,709 --> 01:55:17,920
it's it's going in the other direction

2893
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:18,719
yeah that one

2894
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:21,440
i mean that was definitely a yeah a

2895
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:22,000
physical

2896
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:24,880
interaction there and the the question

2897
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:25,920
to me

2898
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:27,199
when it comes down to again this is

2899
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:28,639
where i think it's a bit of a mix how

2900
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:29,920
did that thing get into my room and

2901
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:31,440
where did it go it went into one

2902
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:34,080
into a closet and went where right uh

2903
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:35,440
you know was there a portal in the

2904
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:37,360
closet i have no idea

2905
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:40,400
um so you know how did it get there uh

2906
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:42,320
to begin with yes we did i ended up

2907
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:44,159
having a physical interaction with this

2908
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:44,480
thing

2909
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:47,599
we connected on a physical level um

2910
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:50,880
but for it to access

2911
01:55:54,229 --> 01:55:53,679
my room and get there to begin with and

2912
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:54,239
then

2913
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:57,599
leave and go somewhere i think that's

2914
01:56:01,830 --> 01:55:58,480
where

2915
01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:01,840
we start having you know

2916
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:04,159
that big question of you know the

2917
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:05,920
crossing whether it's the crossing of

2918
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:06,960
dimensions

2919
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:09,920
or was there some sort of you know were

2920
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:10,320
they

2921
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:13,280
using some sort of you know wormhole or

2922
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:14,719
maybe even a stargate to get there

2923
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:15,440
because this could have been

2924
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:16,800
extraterrestrial

2925
01:56:20,470 --> 01:56:19,599
um you know if we go down the the route

2926
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,480
of

2927
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:22,159
you know crook and flail if this thing

2928
01:56:26,790 --> 01:56:24,480
was actually from ancient egypt i mean

2929
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:26,800
it'd be very literal at that point but

2930
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:29,199
you know it it could have been you know

2931
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:30,719
that that's a possibility that's on the

2932
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:32,159
table maybe it saw

2933
01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:35,040
you know it pops up into my room maybe

2934
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:36,400
it traveled there somehow

2935
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:38,880
if it was a time traveler from you know

2936
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:40,880
4 000 years ago or whatever shows up in

2937
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:42,560
my room maybe it looks like a tune to

2938
01:56:45,270 --> 01:56:43,840
them because they can't

2939
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,280
kind of comprehend what all these

2940
01:56:50,870 --> 01:56:47,360
different things are on my wall and

2941
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:50,880
and what have you um you know so maybe

2942
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:52,800
you know that was the context it use

2943
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:54,320
again this is just a

2944
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:57,040
wild speculation but i i think we have

2945
01:57:01,589 --> 01:56:58,719
to put these different possibilities on

2946
01:57:05,189 --> 01:57:01,599
the table and look at each one

2947
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:05,199
because in in in borrows

2948
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,239
uh and others in in boston where we're

2949
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:10,320
talking about a simulation

2950
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:13,520
and existing there

2951
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:16,800
is the contact only visual

2952
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:19,440
right i mean can in a simulated

2953
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:20,960
situation

2954
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:23,360
can these entities move something right

2955
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:25,760
and pick up something or throw something

2956
01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:29,119
or is it purely visual

2957
01:57:32,310 --> 01:57:30,400
well i think you can physically do

2958
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:32,320
something physically interact if we go

2959
01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:32,719
back

2960
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:36,080
into our computer simulations that we

2961
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:36,480
have

2962
01:57:40,149 --> 01:57:38,719
now or even going into a game

2963
01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:40,159
environment if i

2964
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:43,199
enter a game environment

2965
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:46,960
as a as a gm as a game master

2966
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:50,800
even if i am invisible

2967
01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:53,920
game master that the players can't see i

2968
01:57:56,709 --> 01:57:54,320
still

2969
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:56,719
have depending on how you've programmed

2970
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,440
the thing

2971
01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:59,360
i still should be able to have some

2972
01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:00,639
ability to

2973
01:58:08,070 --> 01:58:04,000
move things around within that construct

2974
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:08,080
so um it gets down to what are the

2975
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:10,320
actual rules of the simulation

2976
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:13,040
we don't know all of our rules here how

2977
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:13,760
simple

2978
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:17,599
of uh of a computer

2979
01:58:22,629 --> 01:58:21,360
if if you were going to simulate a

2980
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:22,639
universe

2981
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:25,520
we're not talking about necessarily a

2982
01:58:29,990 --> 01:58:26,880
dyson sphere in the

2983
01:58:31,990 --> 01:58:30,000
in the energy of a sun or a star

2984
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:32,000
to create this because we have the

2985
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:34,560
ability to do this right now on planet

2986
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:35,280
earth

2987
01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:41,589
yeah yeah i mean we we can put together

2988
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:43,360
a simulated universe within

2989
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:45,119
i could probably do it on my laptop here

2990
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:46,400
at this point you know with our

2991
01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:49,920
our computers right and powerful now um

2992
01:58:55,189 --> 01:58:53,280
but i think when it comes down to

2993
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:55,199
you know something as large as what we

2994
01:58:59,109 --> 01:58:56,400
are

2995
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:59,119
i think again we talk you know

2996
01:59:03,189 --> 01:59:00,800
everything within the universe

2997
01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:03,199
is connected and there's been a lot of

2998
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:04,880
great research on on this

2999
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:07,520
in recent years but i think it's

3000
01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:08,400
embedded

3001
01:59:13,189 --> 01:59:11,280
within us you know the the power for

3002
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:13,199
this simulation is actually in us

3003
01:59:17,669 --> 01:59:16,560
they're actually learning ways now and

3004
01:59:20,629 --> 01:59:17,679
how to store

3005
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:20,639
data within dna so if we're actually

3006
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:21,360
able to store

3007
01:59:27,430 --> 01:59:24,960
data within dna is that how

3008
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:27,440
the knowledge of the universe and how

3009
01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:28,000
the

3010
01:59:32,070 --> 01:59:30,400
simulation works is that how it's

3011
01:59:33,830 --> 01:59:32,080
embedded it's actually embedded in our

3012
01:59:35,830 --> 01:59:33,840
dna the dna in

3013
01:59:37,510 --> 01:59:35,840
animals the you know the molecular

3014
01:59:39,750 --> 01:59:37,520
structure of everything is

3015
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:39,760
that encoded there it very well could be

3016
01:59:42,310 --> 01:59:41,679
now uh we're going to take a break right

3017
01:59:46,950 --> 01:59:42,320
here

3018
01:59:49,750 --> 01:59:46,960
mike but uh quick yes or no question

3019
01:59:51,270 --> 01:59:49,760
we're in a simulation are you okay with

3020
01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:51,280
it

3021
01:59:57,430 --> 01:59:54,560
what's the difference right

3022
01:59:57,990 --> 01:59:57,440
exactly i i always go back to that one

3023
02:00:01,030 --> 01:59:58,000
scene

3024
02:00:04,070 --> 02:00:01,040
in uh in the matrix i see the steak

3025
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:04,080
right i see the meat it is juicy

3026
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:06,159
right what's the difference what's the

3027
02:00:09,430 --> 02:00:07,440
difference list yes

3028
02:00:12,149 --> 02:00:09,440
what's the difference this is fade to

3029
02:00:13,990 --> 02:00:12,159
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02:00:26,629 --> 02:00:14,000
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now mike one of the things

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that satisfies me today when i talk

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02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:26,159
about et

3145
02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:29,599
contact aliens what's going on here

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02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:33,040
um is the inter-dimensional aspect of

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02:05:38,069 --> 02:05:35,040
this it's not necessarily

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02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:38,079
a nuts and bolts craft and and and

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02:05:42,069 --> 02:05:41,360
and things because it solves a lot of

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02:05:44,790 --> 02:05:42,079
questions

3151
02:05:46,069 --> 02:05:44,800
and some of the things that i have seen

3152
02:05:49,350 --> 02:05:46,079
and others

3153
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:49,360
there's an into these craft appear

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02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:52,800
and disappear very quickly and that

3155
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:56,239
suggests to me something else besides

3156
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:58,320
you know a metallic craft traveling for

3157
02:06:01,669 --> 02:06:00,239
10 000 light years across the universe

3158
02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:01,679
that there's something

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02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:03,760
else interdimensional and you say in the

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book

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02:06:08,310 --> 02:06:07,040
that shadow people are interdimensional

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02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:08,320
beings

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02:06:16,069 --> 02:06:12,719
that they are part of this universe and

3164
02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:16,079
that that solves a lot of issues not

3165
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:16,960
only with me

3166
02:06:24,310 --> 02:06:21,040
but probably with yourself too

3167
02:06:27,109 --> 02:06:24,320
yeah it makes a lot of sense uh

3168
02:06:28,709 --> 02:06:27,119
the idea of interdimensional travel uh

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02:06:31,830 --> 02:06:28,719
you think of uh

3170
02:06:34,229 --> 02:06:31,840
an et race you know earth is

3171
02:06:35,990 --> 02:06:34,239
a rather young planet we're only four

3172
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:36,000
and a half billion years old the

3173
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:38,320
universe is almost 14 billion years old

3174
02:06:40,950 --> 02:06:38,719
so

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02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:40,960
these other civilizations out there have

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02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:41,760
had a lot

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02:06:45,270 --> 02:06:44,960
longer to develop their technology and

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02:06:48,390 --> 02:06:45,280
their

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02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:48,400
reason

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02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:52,800
i i think very easily that many of these

3181
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:55,920
other advanced cultures out there have

3182
02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:58,960
figured out you know that einstein rose

3183
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,880
and bridge how to

3184
02:07:05,189 --> 02:07:03,119
develop a wormhole to travel from one

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02:07:05,990 --> 02:07:05,199
place to another to be able to travel

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02:07:07,669 --> 02:07:06,000
through

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02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:07,679
different dimensional space because you

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02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:10,320
know just the physical newtonian trying

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02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:10,800
to

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02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:15,840
the next solar system and that's just

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02:07:19,430 --> 02:07:16,800
going to take too

3192
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:19,440
too long you know too many years so how

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02:07:22,069 --> 02:07:20,079
do we

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02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:22,079
go about doing that i believe they have

3195
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:23,280
figured out some sort of

3196
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:25,679
interdimensional travel in order to do

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02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:26,560
that whether it's

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et and you know a number of these shadow

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02:07:34,870 --> 02:07:31,520
entities are likely et's

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02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:34,880
so yeah it it kind of sums that up real

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02:07:38,790 --> 02:07:35,679
nicely

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02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,800
does that also solve uh

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02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:40,800
there's another part to this of course

3204
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uh getting into the fermi paradox

3205
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:44,880
you know we know that there's a lot of

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planets out there there's a lot of stars

3207
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:47,280
out there

3208
02:07:50,709 --> 02:07:49,360
the numbers are growing every single day

3209
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:50,719
but where are they

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02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:52,800
right there must be lots of intelligent

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02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:54,000
life out there but where

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02:08:01,589 --> 02:07:57,599
is it all and looking

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02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:01,599
with telescopes and you know astronomers

3214
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:03,119
that you know out there and

3215
02:08:08,950 --> 02:08:06,159
they say that they're not seeing in

3216
02:08:11,030 --> 02:08:08,960
uh interstellar travel they're not

3217
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:11,040
seeing evidence of that

3218
02:08:14,790 --> 02:08:14,079
well an interdimensional aspect to all

3219
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:14,800
of this

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02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:17,199
you wouldn't necessarily see anything

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02:08:20,069 --> 02:08:18,159
would you

3222
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:20,079
yeah you wouldn't necessarily see that

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02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:22,000
also as our starship is gonna

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02:08:26,310 --> 02:08:24,560
be significantly smaller than a planet

3225
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:26,320
but yeah the fermi paradox i always get

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02:09:12,470 --> 02:08:26,719
a

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02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:12,480
life we just

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02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:14,960
we haven't come across it yet i mean we

3229
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:15,520
are

3230
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:18,079
finding some exoplanets out there that

3231
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:18,719
you know

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02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:21,119
may be in the goldilocks zone and we're

3233
02:09:24,310 --> 02:09:22,320
still developing that

3234
02:09:26,149 --> 02:09:24,320
that technology too a lot of what we're

3235
02:09:26,550 --> 02:09:26,159
finding out there for exoplanets are

3236
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:26,560
large

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02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:28,639
gas giants that are you know too close

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02:09:32,149 --> 02:09:30,000
to their suns

3239
02:09:33,910 --> 02:09:32,159
and i believe there's a lot more out

3240
02:09:34,550 --> 02:09:33,920
there than just these large gas giants

3241
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:34,560
we're gonna

3242
02:09:37,990 --> 02:09:36,480
as we start to develop our technology

3243
02:09:40,470 --> 02:09:38,000
more and more we're gonna find

3244
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,480
more planets that you could look at and

3245
02:09:44,229 --> 02:09:42,639
say oh you know that that may be an

3246
02:09:45,750 --> 02:09:44,239
earth-like planet there we

3247
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:45,760
found a few i think we'll be finding

3248
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:47,280
more here soon well i think

3249
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:49,679
the latest number is 20 billion

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02:09:54,950 --> 02:09:51,280
earth-like planets

3251
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:54,960
in the goldilocks zone in our milky way

3252
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:58,320
that's a crazy number right okay

3253
02:10:01,510 --> 02:10:00,719
compared to you know 25 years ago when

3254
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:01,520
it was

3255
02:10:06,149 --> 02:10:04,000
you know the first exoplanet was found

3256
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:06,159
and where the numbers are today

3257
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:08,960
uh it does not only throw the fermi

3258
02:10:14,149 --> 02:10:10,880
paradox off kilter

3259
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:14,159
but uh the drake equation as well

3260
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:17,440
and then if that's the case

3261
02:10:25,030 --> 02:10:21,280
we don't even know if their existence

3262
02:10:25,910 --> 02:10:25,040
is in the same time that we are in in

3263
02:10:29,350 --> 02:10:25,920
other words

3264
02:10:32,310 --> 02:10:29,360
they could be in a longer existence or a

3265
02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:32,320
shorter frequency a shorter wavelength

3266
02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:35,280
and may not be visible to us maybe at

3267
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:36,159
all

3268
02:10:43,270 --> 02:10:39,199
it would be noise to us and

3269
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:43,280
us to them right and that is where these

3270
02:10:47,430 --> 02:10:45,920
the the dimensions may cross and the

3271
02:10:49,589 --> 02:10:47,440
frequencies may

3272
02:10:51,589 --> 02:10:49,599
uh become apparent to each other

3273
02:10:54,069 --> 02:10:51,599
momentarily

3274
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:54,079
yeah you're right as you start you know

3275
02:10:59,030 --> 02:10:56,400
gazing further and further out into

3276
02:11:00,709 --> 02:10:59,040
you know the universe uh you end up with

3277
02:11:02,149 --> 02:11:00,719
a lot of that background radiation you

3278
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:02,159
know how many things are out

3279
02:11:05,589 --> 02:11:04,560
or you know way out there and are they

3280
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:05,599
able to see

3281
02:11:09,589 --> 02:11:08,880
us at all as you know you you get closer

3282
02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:09,599
to and there's

3283
02:11:13,109 --> 02:11:10,960
there's a lot of you know different

3284
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:13,119
ideas about uh you know

3285
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:14,960
the bending of space and time around

3286
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:16,159
black holes

3287
02:11:22,229 --> 02:11:19,199
uh you know how do other uh

3288
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:22,239
how would time be perceived from

3289
02:11:26,790 --> 02:11:24,880
other planets out there how would you

3290
02:11:29,030 --> 02:11:26,800
know if there's life on those planets

3291
02:11:29,830 --> 02:11:29,040
you know how do they experience space in

3292
02:11:31,669 --> 02:11:29,840
time you know

3293
02:11:32,950 --> 02:11:31,679
it could very well be very differently

3294
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:32,960
than us and

3295
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:34,159
i i think there's a lot of things that

3296
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:36,000
we don't take into consideration

3297
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:38,560
that uh you know other life forms out

3298
02:11:42,069 --> 02:11:40,239
there are

3299
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:42,079
while they may be and people speculate

3300
02:11:45,350 --> 02:11:43,440
you know are they you know other

3301
02:11:45,910 --> 02:11:45,360
versions of us did we get seated from

3302
02:11:48,390 --> 02:11:45,920
somewhere

3303
02:11:49,669 --> 02:11:48,400
possibly but i also you know think that

3304
02:11:51,030 --> 02:11:49,679
they're going to be other life forms out

3305
02:11:53,350 --> 02:11:51,040
there that are completely

3306
02:11:54,149 --> 02:11:53,360
different perhaps something that's on a

3307
02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:54,159
you know much

3308
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:56,320
larger planet with a lot more oxygen

3309
02:12:00,550 --> 02:11:57,520
perhaps they're

3310
02:12:03,830 --> 02:12:00,560
they're the ones that are you know 15 20

3311
02:12:05,830 --> 02:12:03,840
30 feet tall very you know different

3312
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:05,840
and then ones that perhaps are smaller

3313
02:12:08,550 --> 02:12:07,119
less oxygen and perhaps they're

3314
02:12:10,149 --> 02:12:08,560
smaller entities but that doesn't mean

3315
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:10,159
they're less intelligent they could

3316
02:12:12,790 --> 02:12:10,960
still be

3317
02:12:14,310 --> 02:12:12,800
traveling here from light years away

3318
02:12:15,189 --> 02:12:14,320
using some sort of interdimensional

3319
02:12:17,589 --> 02:12:15,199
travel

3320
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:17,599
and in actually still interacting with

3321
02:12:22,310 --> 02:12:18,639
us now now

3322
02:12:25,430 --> 02:12:22,320
is there a possibility that

3323
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:25,440
you know i don't want to go into light

3324
02:12:31,950 --> 02:12:28,639
beings specifically but

3325
02:12:35,270 --> 02:12:31,960
could some of these interdimensional

3326
02:12:39,750 --> 02:12:35,280
extraterrestrials not have shape

3327
02:12:40,390 --> 02:12:39,760
right and they are achieving a humanoid

3328
02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:40,400
shape

3329
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:43,920
for us right putting on putting on the

3330
02:12:47,830 --> 02:12:45,760
fedora

3331
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:47,840
yeah and disguising themselves so that

3332
02:12:52,629 --> 02:12:49,360
we have something to

3333
02:12:54,629 --> 02:12:52,639
relate to exactly yeah

3334
02:12:56,229 --> 02:12:54,639
and that would make sense if they were

3335
02:12:57,589 --> 02:12:56,239
you know perhaps they did want to have

3336
02:12:58,229 --> 02:12:57,599
some sort of interaction with us or

3337
02:13:00,709 --> 02:12:58,239
perhaps

3338
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:00,719
if they were accidentally seen so that

3339
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:02,480
we wouldn't you know become too scared

3340
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:03,599
or frightened or

3341
02:13:06,790 --> 02:13:04,800
or what have you and i think a lot of

3342
02:13:08,149 --> 02:13:06,800
times they are they may actually be

3343
02:13:10,229 --> 02:13:08,159
trying to

3344
02:13:11,910 --> 02:13:10,239
cloak themselves and don't quite

3345
02:13:14,950 --> 02:13:11,920
understand the physiology

3346
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:14,960
of our eyes and we're able to

3347
02:13:18,470 --> 02:13:17,040
perceive them to some degree anyway and

3348
02:13:20,229 --> 02:13:18,480
whether they come off as a shadow or

3349
02:13:21,589 --> 02:13:20,239
some people report seeing like a shimmer

3350
02:13:24,069 --> 02:13:21,599
man type of a thing

3351
02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:24,079
you know is is that what these you know

3352
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:25,040
entities are

3353
02:13:31,510 --> 02:13:27,920
you know well you bring up a great point

3354
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:31,520
you know the white glowing eyes

3355
02:13:35,350 --> 02:13:33,920
you know they get back on the ship dude

3356
02:13:39,350 --> 02:13:35,360
just white

3357
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:41,990
you got to tone it down a little bit but

3358
02:13:43,990 --> 02:13:43,679
it would make a lot of sense wouldn't it

3359
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:44,000
that

3360
02:13:51,270 --> 02:13:48,320
they would have the ability to

3361
02:13:52,550 --> 02:13:51,280
achieve a humanoid shape some type of

3362
02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:52,560
clothing

3363
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:56,320
something to give them uh

3364
02:13:59,430 --> 02:13:57,679
something that we could relate to

3365
02:14:01,750 --> 02:13:59,440
because they've been studying us for a

3366
02:14:03,910 --> 02:14:01,760
long time they know what we look like

3367
02:14:06,709 --> 02:14:03,920
they don't need to come you know into

3368
02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:06,719
our existence with eight arms

3369
02:14:10,229 --> 02:14:08,560
looking like an octopus because that

3370
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:10,239
would freak us out

3371
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:12,800
absolutely and i i think a lot of times

3372
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:13,280
we

3373
02:14:18,870 --> 02:14:17,040
if

3374
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:18,880
we went to another planet you know how

3375
02:14:22,390 --> 02:14:20,639
would we interact there i mean

3376
02:14:24,069 --> 02:14:22,400
for one we probably wouldn't immediately

3377
02:14:25,669 --> 02:14:24,079
touch down either we'd probably be

3378
02:14:27,910 --> 02:14:25,679
sending probes and

3379
02:14:29,990 --> 02:14:27,920
and things like that down on the planet

3380
02:14:30,950 --> 02:14:30,000
uh and so maybe some of these things

3381
02:14:33,750 --> 02:14:30,960
that we're actually

3382
02:14:34,390 --> 02:14:33,760
seeing are maybe some of these probes

3383
02:14:37,109 --> 02:14:34,400
and it could be

3384
02:14:38,629 --> 02:14:37,119
biological in nature given what their

3385
02:14:42,069 --> 02:14:38,639
technology may be

3386
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:42,079
uh but once the actual uh being comes

3387
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:42,800
down

3388
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:46,000
yeah how are they going to try to uh

3389
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:48,400
present themselves if it was us how are

3390
02:14:51,669 --> 02:14:50,000
we going to present ourselves when we go

3391
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:51,679
to that other plane and so i think we

3392
02:14:55,669 --> 02:14:52,239
don't

3393
02:14:59,430 --> 02:14:55,679
context well and when physics

3394
02:14:59,669 --> 02:14:59,440
uh suggest uh certainly string theory

3395
02:15:03,669 --> 02:14:59,679
and

3396
02:15:08,629 --> 02:15:03,679
m theory uh not just four dimensions but

3397
02:15:10,229 --> 02:15:08,639
maybe up to eleven uh dimensions

3398
02:15:13,030 --> 02:15:10,239
something has to exist in those

3399
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:13,040
dimensions right and if we

3400
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:16,480
did go into a sixth dimension

3401
02:15:23,350 --> 02:15:20,560
or an eleventh dimension

3402
02:15:23,830 --> 02:15:23,360
is that an entirely different universe

3403
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:23,840
that's an

3404
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:26,800
entirely different world of things that

3405
02:15:31,430 --> 02:15:28,000
we just don't see

3406
02:15:33,109 --> 02:15:31,440
but it is there yeah absolutely and some

3407
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:33,119
of those are sub-atomic and so you know

3408
02:15:35,189 --> 02:15:34,639
what do things look like at that level

3409
02:15:37,669 --> 02:15:35,199
but just

3410
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:37,679
not even getting that far i mean take

3411
02:15:41,030 --> 02:15:38,400
take like the

3412
02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:41,040
the fifth dimension um you know what

3413
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:42,560
does that look like to us i mean the

3414
02:15:46,390 --> 02:15:43,199
fourth is

3415
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:46,400
time so you go above time you know we we

3416
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:48,480
kind of you know put together the idea

3417
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:49,119
of

3418
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:51,599
a tesseract and so we've basically taken

3419
02:15:55,030 --> 02:15:54,079
a 3d cube we've put another 3d cube on

3420
02:15:57,270 --> 02:15:55,040
top of it

3421
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:57,280
you know because that's about i guess as

3422
02:16:00,149 --> 02:15:59,040
far as our minds are going right now

3423
02:16:02,629 --> 02:16:00,159
we'll just put what we

3424
02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:02,639
already know on top of you know of what

3425
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:04,239
we already know so we're just

3426
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:05,520
compounding

3427
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:07,679
but i i think it's i think it's deeper

3428
02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:10,480
than that uh you know the idea of

3429
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:13,520
um you know being able to move in and

3430
02:16:19,030 --> 02:16:15,840
out of time at will and seeing

3431
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:19,040
every single moment um it was absolutely

3432
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:21,040
fascinating but what would that really

3433
02:16:24,870 --> 02:16:21,599
look like

3434
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:24,880
in what lives within that space is uh i

3435
02:16:30,149 --> 02:16:26,320
mean that's a fascinating question

3436
02:16:33,830 --> 02:16:30,159
well it is because time to us is

3437
02:16:34,309 --> 02:16:33,840
is our planet go you know first off the

3438
02:16:37,669 --> 02:16:34,319
day

3439
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:37,679
24 hours and then the year uh going

3440
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:38,639
around the sun

3441
02:16:44,870 --> 02:16:41,840
but once you're off this planet time is

3442
02:16:45,990 --> 02:16:44,880
is not that anymore right that's that's

3443
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:46,000
it right

3444
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:48,080
yeah yeah time is just a human construct

3445
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:50,000
that we've put together to describe our

3446
02:16:53,589 --> 02:16:52,319
reality and keep track of the seasons

3447
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:53,599
and all that but once you're not

3448
02:16:59,669 --> 02:16:56,960
on earth yeah it's very different now uh

3449
02:17:00,230 --> 02:16:59,679
let's let's go into another direction um

3450
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:00,240
you

3451
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:07,920
which is time travelers and if we

3452
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:11,679
go to even stephen hawking going back to

3453
02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:12,000
a

3454
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:16,719
represents this

3455
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:20,880
that uh could some of these

3456
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:26,240
maybe all just be us from the future

3457
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:28,240
yeah that's a fascinating question this

3458
02:17:30,950 --> 02:17:29,760
is something that i've been uh getting a

3459
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:30,960
little bit more into

3460
02:17:35,270 --> 02:17:33,120
lately because you hear these

3461
02:17:39,030 --> 02:17:35,280
fascinating stories of

3462
02:17:40,790 --> 02:17:39,040
uh people who have witnessed apparitions

3463
02:17:42,389 --> 02:17:40,800
uh you know it could even be you know

3464
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:42,399
shadow entities or whatever but

3465
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:44,080
you know when they when they look at

3466
02:17:49,589 --> 02:17:46,800
those apparitions like say a woman in a

3467
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:49,599
1800s victorian dress and that woman

3468
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:51,200
turns and looks at them

3469
02:17:56,309 --> 02:17:54,479
as if you know they're the ghosts

3470
02:17:57,750 --> 02:17:56,319
it makes you really start to question

3471
02:17:58,950 --> 02:17:57,760
it's like something out of the others

3472
02:18:02,070 --> 02:17:58,960
right

3473
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:02,080
but um they're i've been hearing more

3474
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:04,399
and more of these stories lately where

3475
02:18:09,190 --> 02:18:07,280
you know these uh these apparitions that

3476
02:18:12,309 --> 02:18:09,200
we are thinking our ghosts

3477
02:18:15,990 --> 02:18:12,319
are probably not actually

3478
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:16,000
ghosts but are actually visages of

3479
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:18,319
another point in time and we're having

3480
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:19,200
some sort of

3481
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:21,120
time slip where we're able to see the

3482
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:22,319
past in the past

3483
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:23,760
is able to see the future and this is

3484
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:25,359
kind of what i was talking about

3485
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:28,399
before with you know time all being

3486
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:30,240
concurrent past present future and

3487
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:31,040
there's

3488
02:18:34,389 --> 02:18:33,519
something that happens that for a brief

3489
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:34,399
moment

3490
02:18:39,750 --> 02:18:38,479
same frequency we're able to see each

3491
02:18:41,669 --> 02:18:39,760
other for just a moment

3492
02:18:43,910 --> 02:18:41,679
well and then you could have the

3493
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:43,920
commercial side of it

3494
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,040
right time traveling

3495
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:50,160
uh vacation plans

3496
02:18:53,830 --> 02:18:52,399
from the future right well where do you

3497
02:18:57,429 --> 02:18:53,840
guys want to go man i want to go check

3498
02:19:00,709 --> 02:18:57,439
out 2021 i heard it's pretty whacked out

3499
02:19:02,389 --> 02:19:00,719
and and you're able to come back but you

3500
02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:02,399
can't interact

3501
02:19:07,429 --> 02:19:05,679
right you can only observe

3502
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:07,439
and you go and you're doing that and

3503
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:09,679
you've got your vacation plan and you've

3504
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:10,880
got all of these great

3505
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:13,200
places you want to go and see but

3506
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:16,000
suddenly you're visible for a moment

3507
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:17,519
right and you're not supposed to be

3508
02:19:20,549 --> 02:19:19,280
going back to what stephen hawking said

3509
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:20,559
where are they

3510
02:19:25,429 --> 02:19:23,760
right if time travelers were here well

3511
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:25,439
maybe they're not allowed to interact

3512
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:27,840
and maybe that is a possibility of what

3513
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:29,359
we are seeing in

3514
02:19:32,469 --> 02:19:31,280
and again once in a while interacting

3515
02:19:34,549 --> 02:19:32,479
with

3516
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,559
yeah that's a uh it's definitely an

3517
02:19:36,629 --> 02:19:36,160
interesting idea and it makes a lot of

3518
02:19:39,910 --> 02:19:36,639
sense

3519
02:19:41,589 --> 02:19:39,920
um you know we a lot of times when we're

3520
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:41,599
observing some of these things

3521
02:19:45,910 --> 02:19:43,920
you know they're just observing us right

3522
02:19:47,830 --> 02:19:45,920
they're just standing there watching and

3523
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:47,840
looking and perhaps like you said maybe

3524
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:48,960
that's some sort of

3525
02:19:53,750 --> 02:19:51,120
of rule or perhaps the time travelers

3526
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:53,760
that are out there right now are just

3527
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:56,560
you know ones that you know maybe it's

3528
02:19:58,870 --> 02:19:56,880
time

3529
02:20:00,150 --> 02:19:58,880
travel well again i i keep saying

3530
02:20:01,830 --> 02:20:00,160
everything's happening concurrently so

3531
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:01,840
they should all exist at any time but

3532
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:03,760
just for example let's say time travel

3533
02:20:06,469 --> 02:20:04,880
is just invented

3534
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:06,479
you know 50 years from now they're

3535
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:07,439
they're coming back and they're just

3536
02:20:10,710 --> 02:20:08,960
testing it out what are they going to do

3537
02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:10,720
they're going to watch and observe

3538
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:12,479
uh you know but there could be some sort

3539
02:20:16,950 --> 02:20:13,920
of you know

3540
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:16,960
um you know rule put in place don't

3541
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:18,640
interact for that fear of

3542
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:21,200
breaking something in the past that you

3543
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:23,120
know creates a different future

3544
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:26,399
now what do you do with uh the concept

3545
02:20:31,510 --> 02:20:27,760
if we're gonna stay

3546
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:31,520
on this physics side of this

3547
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:34,640
and the multiverse is

3548
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:38,000
something that is part of our reality

3549
02:20:40,630 --> 02:20:38,880
the math

3550
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:40,640
certainly suggested for a lot of

3551
02:20:43,670 --> 02:20:42,399
different reasons but it comes down to

3552
02:20:46,870 --> 02:20:43,680
basically

3553
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:46,880
observation and if uh if you're looking

3554
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:48,960
at a particle and it's either here or

3555
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:50,240
it's here

3556
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,120
um then if it's you can't be looking at

3557
02:20:56,950 --> 02:20:54,640
a half a particle

3558
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:56,960
right it's going to be one or the other

3559
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:58,080
and if it's not here

3560
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:59,439
then it's somewhere else and that's

3561
02:21:03,429 --> 02:21:01,359
where the multiverse uh

3562
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:03,439
comes in in the world of physics that

3563
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:04,960
the math says

3564
02:21:09,429 --> 02:21:07,280
that these two things can exist in in

3565
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:09,439
two different places at the same time

3566
02:21:16,309 --> 02:21:13,040
well where is the multiverse then

3567
02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:16,319
where is this other universe physically

3568
02:21:22,550 --> 02:21:20,080
i mean we understand where we are now

3569
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:22,560
right physically we can understand this

3570
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:23,120
but

3571
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:26,880
it has to exist somewhere

3572
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:28,880
right physically it has to be there so

3573
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:30,319
where is it

3574
02:21:34,070 --> 02:21:32,399
yeah that's a that's a great question

3575
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:34,080
because i i think we kind of have this

3576
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:37,200
uh idea in our mind of um

3577
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:39,520
you know all these you know like bubbles

3578
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:41,120
or you know the idea of the marble and

3579
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:42,640
so you've got all of them you know

3580
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:44,399
together and you know what would that be

3581
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:45,120
in this huge

3582
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:46,720
vacuum or whatever but you know they're

3583
02:21:51,510 --> 02:21:49,359
kind of all side by side by side

3584
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:51,520
what if they're actually all on top of

3585
02:21:56,630 --> 02:21:54,319
each other at the same time and it's

3586
02:21:58,550 --> 02:21:56,640
just a matter of being able to

3587
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:58,560
somehow access it almost like flipping a

3588
02:22:02,790 --> 02:22:00,319
switch and your

3589
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:02,800
you turn your room from one universe to

3590
02:22:06,070 --> 02:22:04,000
the other universe

3591
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:06,080
so instead of them being you know side

3592
02:22:09,429 --> 02:22:07,760
by side by side physically

3593
02:22:11,110 --> 02:22:09,439
maybe they're just all on top of each

3594
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:11,120
other in the same place

3595
02:22:20,790 --> 02:22:17,910
um so if we're talking uh

3596
02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:20,800
inner dimensions so if we're able to

3597
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:21,840
access an

3598
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:24,800
alternate universe interdimensionally

3599
02:22:30,710 --> 02:22:27,040
maybe the

3600
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:30,720
physically it's already right here

3601
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:34,000
it's just a matter of figuring

3602
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:37,040
out what that whether it's a frequency

3603
02:22:39,750 --> 02:22:39,120
that we need to tune into or what have

3604
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:39,760
you

3605
02:22:46,710 --> 02:22:43,680
that we're able to see i believe that

3606
02:22:48,150 --> 02:22:46,720
you know real travel in this nature

3607
02:22:49,510 --> 02:22:48,160
whether it's time travel or traveling

3608
02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:49,520
interdimensionally is more of a

3609
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:51,280
conscious thing rather than like jumping

3610
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:52,960
in a delorean and doing something

3611
02:22:58,150 --> 02:22:55,200
physically

3612
02:22:59,110 --> 02:22:58,160
so i i think it's a matter of finding

3613
02:23:04,389 --> 02:22:59,120
that

3614
02:23:07,110 --> 02:23:04,399
and whether it's you know to travel from

3615
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:07,120
one time to another or travel to another

3616
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:08,880
parallel universe or what have you i

3617
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:10,800
think it's a matter of that

3618
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:16,080
have you seen the movie valerian

3619
02:23:21,830 --> 02:23:19,680
no okay that's your assignment

3620
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:21,840
that's your assignment it's uh the most

3621
02:23:24,630 --> 02:23:22,800
recent film

3622
02:23:26,309 --> 02:23:24,640
uh from luke bassan it's based on a

3623
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:26,319
graphic novel and

3624
02:23:30,630 --> 02:23:28,319
it's a great film all of luke gasson's

3625
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:30,640
films are great but

3626
02:23:37,349 --> 02:23:34,240
there is a section of the film that

3627
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:37,359
is extraordinary

3628
02:23:44,469 --> 02:23:40,800
and profound and it's

3629
02:23:48,389 --> 02:23:44,479
where going back to vacationers

3630
02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:48,399
you can go to this inter-dimensional

3631
02:23:54,870 --> 02:23:52,080
bazaar go shopping

3632
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:54,880
right and so they pull up and it's an

3633
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:56,720
empty desert

3634
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:59,280
right that's all it is you see a few

3635
02:24:03,110 --> 02:24:00,960
people walking around

3636
02:24:04,469 --> 02:24:03,120
it's empty desert but you put the

3637
02:24:08,230 --> 02:24:04,479
glasses on

3638
02:24:12,309 --> 02:24:08,240
and you get activated and then you look

3639
02:24:15,670 --> 02:24:12,319
and it is a shopping mall

3640
02:24:17,349 --> 02:24:15,680
and you can go in and shop and and go

3641
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:17,359
and interact

3642
02:24:24,230 --> 02:24:21,200
it is cra and it's all on a frequency

3643
02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:24,240
that's it it's there right it's there

3644
02:24:28,230 --> 02:24:26,880
in this area right and everybody's going

3645
02:24:30,230 --> 02:24:28,240
wow whoa whoa whoa

3646
02:24:32,790 --> 02:24:30,240
whoa right yeah i don't know with the

3647
02:24:35,670 --> 02:24:32,800
glasses and and jumping into this but

3648
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:35,680
it is a frequency yeah it's very similar

3649
02:24:37,429 --> 02:24:36,800
to what i was talking about it sounds

3650
02:24:39,990 --> 02:24:37,439
like yeah

3651
02:24:41,429 --> 02:24:40,000
yeah it's uh it's fascinating and so it

3652
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:41,439
just makes you wonder

3653
02:24:45,670 --> 02:24:43,840
going back to shadow people what is

3654
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:45,680
around you in your room

3655
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:48,800
right now as i observe you well it could

3656
02:24:54,070 --> 02:24:50,960
be a lot of stuff

3657
02:24:54,870 --> 02:24:54,080
right right now but it's just on another

3658
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:54,880
frequency

3659
02:25:01,270 --> 02:24:58,479
and it just may be that simple yeah i

3660
02:25:01,590 --> 02:25:01,280
absolutely agree um you know i've you

3661
02:25:03,270 --> 02:25:01,600
know

3662
02:25:04,870 --> 02:25:03,280
it just when i've talked to people in

3663
02:25:07,510 --> 02:25:04,880
the past about

3664
02:25:08,150 --> 02:25:07,520
you know ghosts and things like that

3665
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:08,160
i've always

3666
02:25:12,790 --> 02:25:10,560
thrown out there you know i think we'd

3667
02:25:14,790 --> 02:25:12,800
be very surprised if that

3668
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:14,800
veil lifted and we got to see all the

3669
02:25:18,389 --> 02:25:16,640
different things that were around us

3670
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:18,399
there would be a lot more

3671
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:20,960
but that's just ghosts and this is more

3672
02:25:24,469 --> 02:25:21,760
than just

3673
02:25:26,150 --> 02:25:24,479
about ghosts it is about so many

3674
02:25:27,110 --> 02:25:26,160
different things that i think if we were

3675
02:25:30,230 --> 02:25:27,120
able to

3676
02:25:31,990 --> 02:25:30,240
lift that veil we would see all these

3677
02:25:33,389 --> 02:25:32,000
different dimensions all these different

3678
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:33,399
entities all these different

3679
02:25:38,230 --> 02:25:36,640
possibilities of a world around

3680
02:25:40,070 --> 02:25:38,240
us that it would i think would just

3681
02:25:43,990 --> 02:25:40,080
completely blow our minds i

3682
02:25:46,389 --> 02:25:44,000
there could be literally a million ships

3683
02:25:47,110 --> 02:25:46,399
in our skies right now right they

3684
02:25:50,469 --> 02:25:47,120
probably are

3685
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:50,479
yeah exactly and and uh

3686
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:54,479
i go back uh before we take our break

3687
02:25:58,309 --> 02:25:57,200
i'm going to say this as crazy as this

3688
02:26:01,510 --> 02:25:58,319
sounds

3689
02:26:04,630 --> 02:26:01,520
i'm with uh about 100 people

3690
02:26:05,190 --> 02:26:04,640
and we're all out doing a a giant sky

3691
02:26:08,230 --> 02:26:05,200
watch

3692
02:26:11,830 --> 02:26:08,240
and we're in the desert and

3693
02:26:13,750 --> 02:26:11,840
up in the sky mike just go into your

3694
02:26:14,950 --> 02:26:13,760
mind's eye and imagine this for a second

3695
02:26:16,950 --> 02:26:14,960
so we're all

3696
02:26:18,230 --> 02:26:16,960
and this isn't with night vision this

3697
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:18,240
isn't with anything i'm just

3698
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:21,359
looking up and at that moment well all

3699
02:26:24,469 --> 02:26:23,040
of us are just looking to the sky to see

3700
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:24,479
if we can see anything right so we're

3701
02:26:29,830 --> 02:26:25,520
all looking up

3702
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:29,840
but at that moment this aquamarine

3703
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:33,520
glowing thing sputters it goes

3704
02:26:37,670 --> 02:26:36,399
and then pops up and it's it's glowing

3705
02:26:41,670 --> 02:26:37,680
it's not very high

3706
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:41,680
by the way and it's right here

3707
02:26:45,429 --> 02:26:44,000
and it stutters and then it goes glowing

3708
02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:45,439
and then in the sky

3709
02:26:53,590 --> 02:26:50,160
above giant like that much of the sky

3710
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:53,600
it makes a backwards z

3711
02:27:02,870 --> 02:26:57,120
and it lasts for about

3712
02:27:05,830 --> 02:27:02,880
three seconds that's it and then it goes

3713
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:05,840
and then at the end of the it's this big

3714
02:27:15,030 --> 02:27:12,150
and at the end it it sputters

3715
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:15,040
and then it like flashed its headlights

3716
02:27:19,590 --> 02:27:16,000
its high beams

3717
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:19,600
twice and then disappeared

3718
02:27:26,550 --> 02:27:23,040
now as crazy as i sound

3719
02:27:29,429 --> 02:27:26,560
saying that that has to be something

3720
02:27:30,870 --> 02:27:29,439
inter-dimensional there's no other way

3721
02:27:32,710 --> 02:27:30,880
to explain

3722
02:27:34,950 --> 02:27:32,720
what ever and we're screaming and

3723
02:27:35,830 --> 02:27:34,960
yelling it was it was nuts it was crazy

3724
02:27:37,030 --> 02:27:35,840
town

3725
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:37,040
but when we're talking about

3726
02:27:42,710 --> 02:27:38,960
inter-dimensional and coming in

3727
02:27:45,429 --> 02:27:42,720
and out of another dimension that was

3728
02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:45,439
perfect evidence of it and as crazy as i

3729
02:27:50,230 --> 02:27:46,560
sound saying it

3730
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:50,240
it happened yeah i i totally believe you

3731
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:51,920
i think yeah a lot of these things that

3732
02:27:55,830 --> 02:27:53,920
we see like that that make no sense to

3733
02:27:58,469 --> 02:27:55,840
defy our physics and just

3734
02:27:59,510 --> 02:27:58,479
materialize out of nowhere disappear

3735
02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:59,520
into nowhere

3736
02:28:03,190 --> 02:28:01,520
yeah i think we're getting a glimpse of

3737
02:28:04,309 --> 02:28:03,200
these things coming in and out of our

3738
02:28:07,270 --> 02:28:04,319
reality

3739
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:07,280
and it's it's this inter-dimensional

3740
02:28:11,750 --> 02:28:08,080
travel

3741
02:28:14,550 --> 02:28:11,760
this whatever whatever these frequencies

3742
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:14,560
are that you know we're suddenly getting

3743
02:28:18,309 --> 02:28:16,560
on for a brief moment to be able to see

3744
02:28:21,590 --> 02:28:18,319
it

3745
02:28:23,030 --> 02:28:21,600
that ship knew that there was a hundred

3746
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:23,040
150 of us

3747
02:28:26,469 --> 02:28:25,359
standing on the edge of that cliff

3748
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:26,479
wanting to because he was able to

3749
02:28:30,630 --> 02:28:27,200
observe you

3750
02:28:33,510 --> 02:28:30,640
yes yeah i i and just said hello

3751
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:33,520
it was crazy you know what the funny

3752
02:28:35,590 --> 02:28:34,240
thing was

3753
02:28:37,030 --> 02:28:35,600
and i know that there are people on

3754
02:28:38,309 --> 02:28:37,040
twitter right now that are going man it

3755
02:28:41,510 --> 02:28:38,319
happened i was there

3756
02:28:43,830 --> 02:28:41,520
you know um uh

3757
02:28:45,270 --> 02:28:43,840
i after that happened i remember

3758
02:28:48,790 --> 02:28:45,280
thinking to myself

3759
02:28:51,830 --> 02:28:48,800
i can never tell this story i can't

3760
02:28:55,030 --> 02:28:51,840
i can't tell who was gonna believe

3761
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:55,040
this zorro's aqua

3762
02:29:01,510 --> 02:28:58,160
aquamarine glowing zorro z

3763
02:29:04,070 --> 02:29:01,520
in in the night sky come on

3764
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:04,080
but it happened it's pretty wild but i i

3765
02:29:08,070 --> 02:29:05,040
i believe you

3766
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:08,080
absolutely it was nuts

3767
02:29:12,389 --> 02:29:09,680
we need to take a break i'm gonna uh

3768
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:12,399
talk you into uh doing overtime

3769
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:15,439
um we didn't get a chance to talk about

3770
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:18,800
uh hunting for shadow people and and

3771
02:29:24,389 --> 02:29:21,040
some of the techniques behind that

3772
02:29:26,070 --> 02:29:24,399
and there's another uh situation here in

3773
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:26,080
reading the book

3774
02:29:31,030 --> 02:29:28,800
i just thought to myself mike this stuff

3775
02:29:32,790 --> 02:29:31,040
follows you

3776
02:29:34,710 --> 02:29:32,800
you are in the right place at the right

3777
02:29:38,550 --> 02:29:34,720
time way too much

3778
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:40,469
yeah and that's a it's a deeper

3779
02:29:43,030 --> 02:29:41,760
discussion i know we're gonna get to a

3780
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:43,040
break and we can certainly

3781
02:29:46,150 --> 02:29:44,240
talk about that because there is a

3782
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:46,160
reason for that okay let's do all of

3783
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:47,520
that let's take our break right here

3784
02:29:51,110 --> 02:29:49,200
this is fade to black i'm yours timmy

3785
02:29:55,309 --> 02:29:51,120
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3786
02:29:57,950 --> 02:29:55,319
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3787
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3788
02:30:01,670 --> 02:29:59,600
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3789
02:30:31,110 --> 02:30:01,680
a quick break it's overtime next

3790
02:30:35,349 --> 02:30:32,950
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3858
02:34:08,309 --> 02:34:06,870
welcome back fade to black i am your

3859
02:34:10,150 --> 02:34:08,319
host jimmy church tonight mike rick

3860
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:10,160
sucker is with us

3861
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:12,800
and one of the uh one of the things that

3862
02:34:18,309 --> 02:34:15,120
i enjoy about heading into overtime

3863
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:18,319
is uh we get to uh explore

3864
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:20,080
and and loosen up a little bit but this

3865
02:34:23,190 --> 02:34:21,840
is the other part mike is a first time

3866
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3867
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:25,520
who covers everything that i love to

3868
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:26,560
talk about

3869
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and i am able to just and plus he's a

3870
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host

3871
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:32,560
he he knows what he's doing so i mike i

3872
02:34:35,910 --> 02:34:34,479
get to go on autopilot tonight this is

3873
02:34:38,309 --> 02:34:35,920
like a night off

3874
02:34:39,590 --> 02:34:38,319
for me i just get to talk about

3875
02:34:42,469 --> 02:34:39,600
everything

3876
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:42,479
yeah yeah just sit and chat because

3877
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:43,120
these are

3878
02:34:48,389 --> 02:34:45,520
all of the things that intrigue me so

3879
02:34:50,710 --> 02:34:48,399
much about what is going on today

3880
02:34:52,230 --> 02:34:50,720
um now there's another part to this and

3881
02:34:53,030 --> 02:34:52,240
we touched upon it right before the

3882
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:53,040
break

3883
02:34:57,910 --> 02:34:56,000
that uh i can't help but think that

3884
02:34:59,349 --> 02:34:57,920
something else is going on here with you

3885
02:35:02,389 --> 02:34:59,359
personally

3886
02:35:04,710 --> 02:35:02,399
and uh i want

3887
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:04,720
can we jump into that a little bit why

3888
02:35:08,950 --> 02:35:06,240
why is it that

3889
02:35:11,750 --> 02:35:08,960
you seem to be uh at the right place at

3890
02:35:14,870 --> 02:35:11,760
the right time too much

3891
02:35:20,309 --> 02:35:14,880
does seem like that sometimes and i

3892
02:35:24,550 --> 02:35:22,309
some people see that's just kind of sum

3893
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:24,560
it up like this some people see

3894
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:26,960
more shadows and apparitions like i do

3895
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,160
other people see more

3896
02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:31,040
apparitions than shadows some people of

3897
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:31,840
course don't see

3898
02:35:36,950 --> 02:35:35,200
you know much of anything but um

3899
02:35:38,469 --> 02:35:36,960
i think that's because i haven't really

3900
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:38,479
come into a lot of contact

3901
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:41,280
yet i mean i came into contact with a

3902
02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:42,160
shadow entity

3903
02:35:48,950 --> 02:35:45,439
at a very young age and

3904
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:48,960
i believe my own personal resonance my

3905
02:35:51,910 --> 02:35:49,520
own personal

3906
02:35:54,230 --> 02:35:51,920
vibration became in tune to that because

3907
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:54,240
it was introduced to it i had another uh

3908
02:35:58,710 --> 02:35:57,040
moment when i was 13 years old that was

3909
02:35:59,750 --> 02:35:58,720
you know quite significant we moved into

3910
02:36:01,510 --> 02:35:59,760
a new house where

3911
02:36:02,950 --> 02:36:01,520
you know i kept seeing this other this

3912
02:36:04,790 --> 02:36:02,960
other shadow entity and of course on my

3913
02:36:07,510 --> 02:36:04,800
different investigations and so

3914
02:36:09,270 --> 02:36:07,520
my my personal vibrations become in tune

3915
02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:09,280
to the vibration of these different

3916
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:10,399
shadow entities

3917
02:36:13,990 --> 02:36:12,160
and i i believe that's what it really

3918
02:36:16,230 --> 02:36:14,000
all comes down to

3919
02:36:17,030 --> 02:36:16,240
is vibration everything in the this

3920
02:36:19,110 --> 02:36:17,040
universe is

3921
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:19,120
is all connected through vibration i

3922
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:21,359
mean nothing around us is actually solid

3923
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:22,000
all these atoms

3924
02:36:26,070 --> 02:36:24,960
are actually vibrating so these are all

3925
02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:26,080
done on different

3926
02:36:31,349 --> 02:36:29,200
uh on different frequencies and so uh

3927
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:31,359
my own personal frequencies become in

3928
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:32,640
tune to

3929
02:36:36,309 --> 02:36:35,520
a lot of these frequencies of these

3930
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:36,319
different

3931
02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:39,520
shadows and a really good

3932
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:42,960
example of this is i talked about it

3933
02:36:45,910 --> 02:36:43,760
earlier

3934
02:36:46,950 --> 02:36:45,920
was that shadow smoke that morphed into

3935
02:36:49,510 --> 02:36:46,960
the apparition

3936
02:36:50,309 --> 02:36:49,520
of a little girl there were five of us

3937
02:36:53,590 --> 02:36:50,319
up there that

3938
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:53,600
saw her but we all saw her a little

3939
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:54,560
differently

3940
02:36:59,030 --> 02:36:57,280
so i saw her basically fully formed from

3941
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:59,040
the top of her head all the way down to

3942
02:37:01,670 --> 02:37:00,800
her knees and then she kind of faded

3943
02:37:03,910 --> 02:37:01,680
away

3944
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:03,920
there were others that saw her basically

3945
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:05,280
fully formed at the feet

3946
02:37:09,510 --> 02:37:06,960
and then i'm up to the head and she kind

3947
02:37:11,270 --> 02:37:09,520
of faded away uh from the head on up and

3948
02:37:14,070 --> 02:37:11,280
others kind of like saw

3949
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:14,080
the torso the clearest so why was that

3950
02:37:16,710 --> 02:37:15,280
why would you know we're all standing

3951
02:37:17,990 --> 02:37:16,720
there essentially in the same place why

3952
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:18,000
are we all seeing her

3953
02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:19,920
a bit differently and that's because we

3954
02:37:25,110 --> 02:37:21,920
all each have our own personal

3955
02:37:26,309 --> 02:37:25,120
vibration the little girl had her own

3956
02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:26,319
personal vibration

3957
02:37:29,510 --> 02:37:28,800
but they're not all resonating on the

3958
02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:29,520
same

3959
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:31,200
level so we all saw her a little bit

3960
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:33,600
differently because of that

3961
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:37,520
that is very interesting um

3962
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:41,840
when when you start to ask others

3963
02:37:48,389 --> 02:37:45,040
what they saw does it surprise you that

3964
02:37:49,990 --> 02:37:48,399
their perception was shifted

3965
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:50,000
not at all not at all because of this

3966
02:37:53,510 --> 02:37:52,399
and i've been on so many different

3967
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:53,520
investigations

3968
02:37:56,950 --> 02:37:55,280
in which and this is what makes

3969
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:56,960
investigating the paranormal

3970
02:38:01,830 --> 02:37:59,600
extremely difficult is one person can

3971
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:01,840
have a fantastic experience they see

3972
02:38:05,110 --> 02:38:03,920
something happen and the others that are

3973
02:38:06,710 --> 02:38:05,120
there don't and they're like what are

3974
02:38:08,870 --> 02:38:06,720
you talking about we didn't see it

3975
02:38:11,429 --> 02:38:08,880
and it so when you're able to get

3976
02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:11,439
corroborating stories together yes i saw

3977
02:38:14,469 --> 02:38:12,800
that too

3978
02:38:15,990 --> 02:38:14,479
that's fascinating because there's so

3979
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:16,000
many times where something happens

3980
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:17,280
somebody sees

3981
02:38:20,309 --> 02:38:19,200
whether it's an apparition or a shadow

3982
02:38:22,870 --> 02:38:20,319
or whatever it is

3983
02:38:24,389 --> 02:38:22,880
and the others don't i mean these things

3984
02:38:26,469 --> 02:38:24,399
are like fleeting they happen in

3985
02:38:27,750 --> 02:38:26,479
like a moment's time anyway so that

3986
02:38:31,030 --> 02:38:27,760
already makes it difficult

3987
02:38:32,309 --> 02:38:31,040
but it's even more so difficult because

3988
02:38:33,750 --> 02:38:32,319
of the fact that

3989
02:38:35,190 --> 02:38:33,760
because of this personal resonance

3990
02:38:35,990 --> 02:38:35,200
because we're not all vibrating in the

3991
02:38:38,710 --> 02:38:36,000
same

3992
02:38:39,670 --> 02:38:38,720
frequency in these things because of

3993
02:38:41,429 --> 02:38:39,680
their very

3994
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:41,439
nature where they're in and out of our

3995
02:38:44,309 --> 02:38:42,720
dimension like this

3996
02:38:46,389 --> 02:38:44,319
i mean that's how we're able to see them

3997
02:38:47,510 --> 02:38:46,399
is through those frequencies through

3998
02:38:52,230 --> 02:38:47,520
those vibrations

3999
02:38:54,710 --> 02:38:52,240
now how do we explain voices

4000
02:38:55,990 --> 02:38:54,720
when we're not dealing with vocal cords

4001
02:38:59,830 --> 02:38:56,000
and we're not dealing

4002
02:39:02,870 --> 02:38:59,840
with something that may not be physical

4003
02:39:06,870 --> 02:39:02,880
then how do voices happen yeah that

4004
02:39:08,309 --> 02:39:06,880
that's a great question and

4005
02:39:11,110 --> 02:39:08,319
there's a couple different ways to look

4006
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:11,120
at that so with a lot of these

4007
02:39:14,790 --> 02:39:13,760
shadow entities a lot of that is done

4008
02:39:17,110 --> 02:39:14,800
through some sort of thought

4009
02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:17,120
transference or telepathy

4010
02:39:20,870 --> 02:39:19,920
when it comes to you know something like

4011
02:39:43,830 --> 02:39:20,880
a

4012
02:39:46,469 --> 02:39:43,840
dimension

4013
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:46,479
crossing over at least we're seeing an

4014
02:39:50,070 --> 02:39:47,840
image of them for a

4015
02:39:51,750 --> 02:39:50,080
brief moment they may actually be

4016
02:39:53,510 --> 02:39:51,760
speaking

4017
02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:53,520
back in their own dementia their own

4018
02:39:57,030 --> 02:39:55,040
plane of existence their own point in

4019
02:39:58,469 --> 02:39:57,040
time whatever it is and again that sound

4020
02:39:59,830 --> 02:39:58,479
is on a different wavelength so maybe

4021
02:40:00,790 --> 02:39:59,840
we're actually able to maybe they're

4022
02:40:03,510 --> 02:40:00,800
speaking

4023
02:40:05,670 --> 02:40:03,520
that line in their dimension we're

4024
02:40:08,150 --> 02:40:05,680
actually able to hear it for that moment

4025
02:40:09,750 --> 02:40:08,160
because that's on a different wavelength

4026
02:40:13,590 --> 02:40:09,760
could be out of phase

4027
02:40:16,790 --> 02:40:13,600
but right but not to get

4028
02:40:21,110 --> 02:40:16,800
all technical out of phase or in phase

4029
02:40:23,590 --> 02:40:21,120
but in one of your videos

4030
02:40:25,190 --> 02:40:23,600
because i had this happen to me uh on an

4031
02:40:28,230 --> 02:40:25,200
investigation

4032
02:40:31,349 --> 02:40:28,240
where we're in a room and

4033
02:40:34,389 --> 02:40:31,359
audibly not an evp not caught on

4034
02:40:36,550 --> 02:40:34,399
you know a digital record audibly like

4035
02:40:39,990 --> 02:40:36,560
this with my ears

4036
02:40:42,389 --> 02:40:40,000
i hear a female voice loud

4037
02:40:44,710 --> 02:40:42,399
and others in the room heard it and uh

4038
02:40:49,510 --> 02:40:44,720
you know tony rathman and tony and i

4039
02:40:52,870 --> 02:40:49,520
looked at each other like what well um

4040
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:52,880
in your video one of your videos i was

4041
02:40:57,110 --> 02:40:53,920
watching today

4042
02:40:57,590 --> 02:40:57,120
there's the word buy right audible just

4043
02:40:59,910 --> 02:40:57,600
like

4044
02:41:01,950 --> 02:40:59,920
right out but there isn't anything

4045
02:41:03,670 --> 02:41:01,960
physical to create that is it

4046
02:41:06,710 --> 02:41:03,680
electromagnetic is there

4047
02:41:10,309 --> 02:41:06,720
something else that is allowing

4048
02:41:12,550 --> 02:41:10,319
a sound wave to travel through the air

4049
02:41:14,469 --> 02:41:12,560
and then hit our ears where it

4050
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:14,479
compresses our eardrums

4051
02:41:18,710 --> 02:41:16,399
and turns it into something that we can

4052
02:41:22,630 --> 02:41:20,950
yeah that's a great question jimmy i

4053
02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:22,640
mean it could be something like that

4054
02:41:26,710 --> 02:41:24,960
um you know and that's kind of the

4055
02:41:27,750 --> 02:41:26,720
that's really the great debate when it

4056
02:41:29,590 --> 02:41:27,760
comes down to

4057
02:41:30,870 --> 02:41:29,600
you know ev pieces and body voices

4058
02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:30,880
things like that how are they being

4059
02:41:33,910 --> 02:41:31,600
generated

4060
02:41:36,070 --> 02:41:33,920
you know obviously it's some sort of

4061
02:41:39,349 --> 02:41:36,080
wave that we're able to pick up with our

4062
02:41:40,230 --> 02:41:39,359
ears um there's another great experiment

4063
02:41:43,830 --> 02:41:40,240
that we did

4064
02:41:47,429 --> 02:41:43,840
um some years ago using

4065
02:41:49,510 --> 02:41:47,439
water to be able to create these

4066
02:41:51,110 --> 02:41:49,520
different voices there's a good friend

4067
02:41:51,910 --> 02:41:51,120
of mine lee ehrlich he's actually a

4068
02:41:54,309 --> 02:41:51,920
world-class

4069
02:41:56,150 --> 02:41:54,319
diver he's actually gone down into

4070
02:41:59,110 --> 02:41:56,160
shipwrecks to

4071
02:42:01,030 --> 02:41:59,120
to witness paranormal activity and so

4072
02:42:02,870 --> 02:42:01,040
he's worked a lot with water and he

4073
02:42:06,070 --> 02:42:02,880
showed us this method we were using

4074
02:42:09,110 --> 02:42:06,080
a fountain at this

4075
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:09,120
old historic hotel and between you had

4076
02:42:12,230 --> 02:42:10,560
to stand back like a certain distance

4077
02:42:16,309 --> 02:42:12,240
you couldn't be right up on the thing

4078
02:42:19,510 --> 02:42:16,319
but between the lup love of the water

4079
02:42:21,349 --> 02:42:19,520
you could hear voices and you would

4080
02:42:24,710 --> 02:42:21,359
start asking questions you would get

4081
02:42:26,550 --> 02:42:24,720
intelligent responses to this

4082
02:42:28,950 --> 02:42:26,560
like you'd ask okay where are you from

4083
02:42:31,990 --> 02:42:28,960
you hear distinctly saint louis

4084
02:42:33,590 --> 02:42:32,000
how old are you 33 it's like it was

4085
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:33,600
amazing stuff and we're hearing it

4086
02:42:36,790 --> 02:42:34,800
audibly with our

4087
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:36,800
ears and eve okay yeah the recorders are

4088
02:42:39,269 --> 02:42:38,240
picking it up too but we're hearing it

4089
02:42:42,469 --> 02:42:39,279
with our ear so

4090
02:42:46,070 --> 02:42:42,479
somehow it's using the water to

4091
02:42:49,670 --> 02:42:46,080
send those audio signals to us

4092
02:42:54,790 --> 02:42:52,230
going back to when you're doing a

4093
02:42:57,429 --> 02:42:54,800
paranormal investigation

4094
02:42:58,550 --> 02:42:57,439
where it seems to me when these this

4095
02:43:01,830 --> 02:42:58,560
communication

4096
02:43:06,830 --> 02:43:01,840
is happening that

4097
02:43:11,670 --> 02:43:09,670
sad lost

4098
02:43:12,710 --> 02:43:11,680
like they don't understand what is

4099
02:43:15,590 --> 02:43:12,720
happening

4100
02:43:16,870 --> 02:43:15,600
to them right and i think that's

4101
02:43:18,630 --> 02:43:16,880
something that scares us

4102
02:43:21,750 --> 02:43:18,640
a lot about this where they may be in

4103
02:43:22,469 --> 02:43:21,760
some sort of purgatory or some dimension

4104
02:43:24,070 --> 02:43:22,479
that

4105
02:43:25,990 --> 02:43:24,080
they don't understand how they got there

4106
02:43:29,349 --> 02:43:26,000
they may not even know

4107
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:29,359
uh that they they probably feel more

4108
02:43:32,710 --> 02:43:30,160
physical

4109
02:43:33,429 --> 02:43:32,720
they think we're the ghost right and

4110
02:43:36,550 --> 02:43:33,439
there's

4111
02:43:38,950 --> 02:43:36,560
melancholy

4112
02:43:40,790 --> 02:43:38,960
about what is going on and so when you

4113
02:43:42,389 --> 02:43:40,800
hear this communication

4114
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:42,399
ultimately what do you think do you

4115
02:43:48,309 --> 02:43:45,120
think that they they're lost

4116
02:43:49,670 --> 02:43:48,319
they're looking for help maybe yeah it's

4117
02:43:52,070 --> 02:43:49,680
it's kind of a mix and

4118
02:43:53,429 --> 02:43:52,080
there are some tough situations there in

4119
02:43:56,070 --> 02:43:53,439
which

4120
02:43:57,269 --> 02:43:56,080
you know you come across a spirit that

4121
02:43:59,269 --> 02:43:57,279
doesn't know that they've

4122
02:44:00,630 --> 02:43:59,279
they've passed away or somebody that's

4123
02:44:02,150 --> 02:44:00,640
very distraught

4124
02:44:04,389 --> 02:44:02,160
that they actually have that they no

4125
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:04,399
longer have their their physical body

4126
02:44:08,309 --> 02:44:06,960
some of them do seem to be you know some

4127
02:44:10,309 --> 02:44:08,319
sort you know we're interacting with

4128
02:44:13,110 --> 02:44:10,319
another place in time and they're not

4129
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:13,120
actually they're not actually passed

4130
02:44:15,429 --> 02:44:14,720
it's almost like one of those time slips

4131
02:44:17,910 --> 02:44:15,439
again

4132
02:44:19,510 --> 02:44:17,920
um some of them don't want to interact

4133
02:44:20,950 --> 02:44:19,520
with you for the longest time because

4134
02:44:21,349 --> 02:44:20,960
it's it's almost like they feel like

4135
02:44:25,429 --> 02:44:21,359
you're

4136
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:25,439
intruding uh within their territory

4137
02:44:29,830 --> 02:44:27,920
and i had a really interesting uh

4138
02:44:30,230 --> 02:44:29,840
experience one time was on an old world

4139
02:44:32,309 --> 02:44:30,240
war

4140
02:44:33,510 --> 02:44:32,319
ii airplane we're getting nothing

4141
02:44:35,030 --> 02:44:33,520
nothing nothing

4142
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:35,040
uh we're very happy to be in this great

4143
02:44:38,469 --> 02:44:36,800
historic place but you know

4144
02:44:40,469 --> 02:44:38,479
no interaction whatsoever and we're

4145
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:40,479
about to give up on it

4146
02:44:48,150 --> 02:44:44,160
and all of a sudden i i made it very

4147
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:48,160
personal in that i related okay you know

4148
02:44:51,110 --> 02:44:48,960
i spent

4149
02:44:53,349 --> 02:44:51,120
six years in the u.s air force i know

4150
02:44:54,469 --> 02:44:53,359
that came out of the old army air corps

4151
02:44:57,750 --> 02:44:54,479
which you would have flown

4152
02:44:58,309 --> 02:44:57,760
for in the second world war and once i

4153
02:45:00,150 --> 02:44:58,319
made it

4154
02:45:01,750 --> 02:45:00,160
personal like that all of a sudden we

4155
02:45:03,670 --> 02:45:01,760
started getting all kinds of interaction

4156
02:45:06,950 --> 02:45:03,680
we started getting evps

4157
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:06,960
and so what i try to do when i go into

4158
02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:09,040
these locations to investigate

4159
02:45:13,510 --> 02:45:11,439
i i try to make it as human as possible

4160
02:45:15,269 --> 02:45:13,520
you know i'll introduce myself i'll just

4161
02:45:17,670 --> 02:45:15,279
try to strike up some sort of

4162
02:45:18,710 --> 02:45:17,680
conversation because i think the the

4163
02:45:21,910 --> 02:45:18,720
more human

4164
02:45:23,429 --> 02:45:21,920
you make it the more they can relate to

4165
02:45:25,190 --> 02:45:23,439
what it is you're trying to do and they

4166
02:45:25,990 --> 02:45:25,200
feel more comfortable trying to interact

4167
02:45:28,309 --> 02:45:26,000
with you

4168
02:45:29,830 --> 02:45:28,319
how much of this is uh in the little

4169
02:45:31,910 --> 02:45:29,840
time that we have left one of the

4170
02:45:34,950 --> 02:45:31,920
biggest subjects of all

4171
02:45:38,070 --> 02:45:34,960
uh but let's see if we can get some

4172
02:45:42,070 --> 02:45:38,080
uh some of this in how much of this

4173
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:42,080
is the power of the mind and manifesting

4174
02:45:47,269 --> 02:45:45,279
it's real but we're creating it

4175
02:45:48,309 --> 02:45:47,279
like you can even go back to like

4176
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:48,319
slenderman

4177
02:45:54,710 --> 02:45:51,439
and and that phenomenon where enough

4178
02:45:58,309 --> 02:45:54,720
minds in the planet are focused on it

4179
02:46:01,269 --> 02:45:58,319
and this stuff is manifesting it's real

4180
02:46:03,510 --> 02:46:01,279
but it's created by us yeah it's the

4181
02:46:06,230 --> 02:46:03,520
idea of the uh buddhist

4182
02:46:06,630 --> 02:46:06,240
thought form the the idea of the tulpa

4183
02:46:11,990 --> 02:46:06,640
and

4184
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:12,000
possibly one of those of course it was a

4185
02:46:16,950 --> 02:46:15,200
internet invention but now people

4186
02:46:18,389 --> 02:46:16,960
claim that well no he's actually out

4187
02:46:19,830 --> 02:46:18,399
there he's actually real

4188
02:46:21,990 --> 02:46:19,840
and uh i thought it was really

4189
02:46:23,990 --> 02:46:22,000
interesting in john keele's uh book on

4190
02:46:26,630 --> 02:46:24,000
the mothman that a story it had

4191
02:46:27,269 --> 02:46:26,640
nothing to do with the mothman and he

4192
02:46:31,269 --> 02:46:27,279
suggests

4193
02:46:31,670 --> 02:46:31,279
that this shadow uh entity that that was

4194
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:31,680
seen

4195
02:46:37,110 --> 02:46:34,720
at the um it's a haunted uh house

4196
02:46:38,070 --> 02:46:37,120
on uh gay street in new york city in

4197
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:38,080
greenwich village

4198
02:46:42,469 --> 02:46:41,040
that uh was actually occupied by maxwell

4199
02:46:45,269 --> 02:46:42,479
graham who wrote the old

4200
02:46:46,070 --> 02:46:45,279
shadow pulp stories that he's suggesting

4201
02:46:49,269 --> 02:46:46,080
this

4202
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:49,279
from

4203
02:46:54,790 --> 02:46:53,040
fascinating that yeah some of these

4204
02:46:55,670 --> 02:46:54,800
could have actually been generated out

4205
02:46:58,469 --> 02:46:55,680
of our own

4206
02:47:00,070 --> 02:46:58,479
mind somehow and so that would of course

4207
02:47:01,750 --> 02:47:00,080
take a lot more

4208
02:47:04,630 --> 02:47:01,760
investigating deductive work to try to

4209
02:47:06,309 --> 02:47:04,640
figure out if that is the case but

4210
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:06,319
sure some of these could possibly be

4211
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:07,920
that as well i

4212
02:47:14,150 --> 02:47:10,960
um i read so many

4213
02:47:14,790 --> 02:47:14,160
slender man stories and listened to so

4214
02:47:17,590 --> 02:47:14,800
many

4215
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:17,600
slender man stories that i was starting

4216
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:20,240
to have some pretty fantastical dreams

4217
02:47:24,309 --> 02:47:23,040
where i was getting visited you know and

4218
02:47:27,190 --> 02:47:24,319
i was inviting i

4219
02:47:29,990 --> 02:47:27,200
wanted to have these slender man dreams

4220
02:47:34,070 --> 02:47:30,000
they were awesome

4221
02:47:37,190 --> 02:47:34,080
and i would go to sleep and and and

4222
02:47:38,469 --> 02:47:37,200
i thought to myself this is this is a

4223
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:38,479
possibility where

4224
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:42,880
if enough of these uh fans of slenderman

4225
02:47:47,990 --> 02:47:46,240
are so focused on this that he's going

4226
02:47:48,870 --> 02:47:48,000
to be in their room he's going to be in

4227
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:48,880
their life

4228
02:47:53,990 --> 02:47:51,680
he's going to walk across the street in

4229
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:54,000
front of them he's going to follow them

4230
02:47:58,469 --> 02:47:56,000
because you are so focused you and your

4231
02:48:01,510 --> 02:47:58,479
friends the power of the internet right

4232
02:48:05,110 --> 02:48:01,520
the the entanglement of everything

4233
02:48:09,030 --> 02:48:05,120
you are in your own id

4234
02:48:11,429 --> 02:48:09,040
going to manifest this into reality

4235
02:48:12,790 --> 02:48:11,439
yeah it's truly fascinating and the the

4236
02:48:15,269 --> 02:48:12,800
power of that many

4237
02:48:17,030 --> 02:48:15,279
people you know putting their energy

4238
02:48:17,990 --> 02:48:17,040
into something like that it's it's

4239
02:48:20,150 --> 02:48:18,000
almost like

4240
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:20,160
you know you think about a sporting

4241
02:48:23,269 --> 02:48:22,000
event where sometimes it almost seems

4242
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:23,279
like the crowd can

4243
02:48:28,550 --> 02:48:26,399
will the team to win the game you know

4244
02:48:30,550 --> 02:48:28,560
is that the same type of concept we're

4245
02:48:31,429 --> 02:48:30,560
talking about here where you have enough

4246
02:48:33,510 --> 02:48:31,439
people putting

4247
02:48:34,870 --> 02:48:33,520
energy into something like this to be

4248
02:48:37,910 --> 02:48:34,880
able to actually

4249
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:37,920
manifest it it's the power of the human

4250
02:48:41,190 --> 02:48:38,479
mind

4251
02:48:42,150 --> 02:48:41,200
in consciousness and everything comes

4252
02:48:45,590 --> 02:48:42,160
down to

4253
02:48:48,070 --> 02:48:45,600
energy anyway so yeah why not

4254
02:48:51,510 --> 02:48:48,080
well so when you're when you're on an

4255
02:48:55,429 --> 02:48:51,520
investigation and you're on location

4256
02:48:57,349 --> 02:48:55,439
is part of your uh emotion your positive

4257
02:48:58,469 --> 02:48:57,359
attitude or negative attitude for that

4258
02:49:02,389 --> 02:48:58,479
matter

4259
02:49:05,030 --> 02:49:02,399
um bringing some of this stuff to life

4260
02:49:05,429 --> 02:49:05,040
yeah i mean we all bring something to a

4261
02:49:07,750 --> 02:49:05,439
to an

4262
02:49:08,790 --> 02:49:07,760
investigation so you know somebody could

4263
02:49:11,910 --> 02:49:08,800
have a

4264
02:49:14,309 --> 02:49:11,920
a bad day and come into an

4265
02:49:15,910 --> 02:49:14,319
investigation and that would that would

4266
02:49:17,990 --> 02:49:15,920
have some sort of effect to

4267
02:49:20,710 --> 02:49:18,000
what's actually going on that evening

4268
02:49:23,670 --> 02:49:20,720
and you know it could be

4269
02:49:25,349 --> 02:49:23,680
you know from you know if they just have

4270
02:49:26,230 --> 02:49:25,359
a sour attitude because they had a bad

4271
02:49:29,510 --> 02:49:26,240
day at work

4272
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:29,520
in you know the the entity that's there

4273
02:49:35,910 --> 02:49:33,040
may or may not like that so depending

4274
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:35,920
on who's there if they if they don't

4275
02:49:39,349 --> 02:49:37,200
like it you know maybe they're

4276
02:49:41,349 --> 02:49:39,359
okay this person has a bad attitude i

4277
02:49:42,790 --> 02:49:41,359
don't want to interact with them or

4278
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:42,800
could be somebody a little more

4279
02:49:45,590 --> 02:49:44,880
mischievous and says oh they're having a

4280
02:49:47,830 --> 02:49:45,600
bad day

4281
02:49:49,510 --> 02:49:47,840
i want to mess with them and that gets

4282
02:49:50,469 --> 02:49:49,520
things riled up so yeah it just kind of

4283
02:49:53,110 --> 02:49:50,479
depends on who's there

4284
02:49:53,590 --> 02:49:53,120
well so if you're in a prison right

4285
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:53,600
you're

4286
02:50:00,870 --> 02:49:57,680
have you

4287
02:50:03,590 --> 02:50:00,880
are you are you

4288
02:50:04,710 --> 02:50:03,600
aggressive you're talking to maybe

4289
02:50:07,830 --> 02:50:04,720
criminals

4290
02:50:08,950 --> 02:50:07,840
right that that may have died are you

4291
02:50:11,990 --> 02:50:08,960
aggressive

4292
02:50:13,510 --> 02:50:12,000
if you're at an an elementary school are

4293
02:50:16,710 --> 02:50:13,520
you more passive

4294
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:16,720
and more gentle in the approach

4295
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:18,960
you know how how do you take that do you

4296
02:50:21,830 --> 02:50:20,720
are there situations where you're more

4297
02:50:24,469 --> 02:50:21,840
aggressive with these

4298
02:50:26,870 --> 02:50:24,479
entities and trying to rile them up or

4299
02:50:29,269 --> 02:50:26,880
is that just not part of your nature

4300
02:50:31,429 --> 02:50:29,279
well i don't i don't go out there trying

4301
02:50:33,349 --> 02:50:31,439
to provoke i don't think that i

4302
02:50:35,190 --> 02:50:33,359
i need to if i'm at an old prison i and

4303
02:50:38,309 --> 02:50:35,200
i've investigated many old prisons

4304
02:50:39,670 --> 02:50:38,319
you know i will try to you know re i'll

4305
02:50:42,550 --> 02:50:39,680
try to relate to them as

4306
02:50:42,950 --> 02:50:42,560
as best i can so what i try to get as

4307
02:50:45,429 --> 02:50:42,960
much

4308
02:50:46,550 --> 02:50:45,439
information about the locations and the

4309
02:50:49,670 --> 02:50:46,560
people that

4310
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:49,680
were there as possible to be able to

4311
02:50:53,510 --> 02:50:50,479
talk to them

4312
02:50:54,230 --> 02:50:53,520
on that level so um you know i'm not

4313
02:50:57,670 --> 02:50:54,240
going to be

4314
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:57,680
out there doing the whole um you know

4315
02:51:01,750 --> 02:51:00,240
you know show yourself sort of thing or

4316
02:51:03,990 --> 02:51:01,760
hit me or that kind of

4317
02:51:04,950 --> 02:51:04,000
crazy stuff i'm gonna try to strike up a

4318
02:51:09,510 --> 02:51:04,960
conversation

4319
02:51:11,110 --> 02:51:09,520
um interesting story so

4320
02:51:12,950 --> 02:51:11,120
again going back to you know learning

4321
02:51:16,230 --> 02:51:12,960
about the locations uh

4322
02:51:16,790 --> 02:51:16,240
ohio state reformatory they they talked

4323
02:51:20,469 --> 02:51:16,800
there

4324
02:51:22,550 --> 02:51:20,479
about a spirit that hangs out in the

4325
02:51:25,670 --> 02:51:22,560
showers a lot that really likes

4326
02:51:26,790 --> 02:51:25,680
baseball so i'll go down there and i'll

4327
02:51:29,349 --> 02:51:26,800
talk baseball

4328
02:51:30,309 --> 02:51:29,359
in the showers and i do get interaction

4329
02:51:33,269 --> 02:51:30,319
like that so i

4330
02:51:35,349 --> 02:51:33,279
i try to take it to something that these

4331
02:51:36,469 --> 02:51:35,359
spirits or entities may actually want to

4332
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:36,479
talk to me about

4333
02:51:40,630 --> 02:51:38,880
now this is a family show talking

4334
02:51:43,590 --> 02:51:40,640
baseball in the showers

4335
02:51:45,429 --> 02:51:43,600
at a reformatory all right that goes

4336
02:51:49,269 --> 02:51:45,439
into a whole other direction

4337
02:51:52,469 --> 02:51:49,279
but what about um this is always a fun

4338
02:51:55,670 --> 02:51:52,479
subject what about objects

4339
02:51:57,990 --> 02:51:55,680
that move you um

4340
02:51:59,590 --> 02:51:58,000
in the book and i wanted to ask you

4341
02:52:02,389 --> 02:51:59,600
about this and i'm glad that

4342
02:52:03,110 --> 02:52:02,399
we circled back in the book you talked

4343
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:03,120
about

4344
02:52:06,710 --> 02:52:05,600
you have a photograph of a of a

4345
02:52:08,710 --> 02:52:06,720
staircase

4346
02:52:11,030 --> 02:52:08,720
and there's a picture of lizzie borden

4347
02:52:13,429 --> 02:52:11,040
on the wall

4348
02:52:15,269 --> 02:52:13,439
right yeah that that story was pretty

4349
02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:15,279
crazy that was a wild night

4350
02:52:19,990 --> 02:52:17,920
um at the stone lion inn in guthrie

4351
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:20,000
oklahoma and that was one the night

4352
02:52:23,349 --> 02:52:20,800
started off

4353
02:52:25,110 --> 02:52:23,359
where i was just doing a basic you know

4354
02:52:25,910 --> 02:52:25,120
emf sweep of the house get kind of a

4355
02:52:28,389 --> 02:52:25,920
baseline

4356
02:52:30,550 --> 02:52:28,399
and there was this energy that just

4357
02:52:32,150 --> 02:52:30,560
overwhelmed me right by the fireplace my

4358
02:52:33,750 --> 02:52:32,160
meter spikes out into the red and i

4359
02:52:35,269 --> 02:52:33,760
almost passed out right there so that

4360
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:35,279
was kind of like a prelude to things to

4361
02:52:37,030 --> 02:52:35,920
come

4362
02:52:39,269 --> 02:52:37,040
uh because yeah there were a number of

4363
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:39,279
things that moved that night

4364
02:52:42,630 --> 02:52:41,120
um just to kind of tell the story real

4365
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:42,640
quick once we started the

4366
02:52:45,990 --> 02:52:45,200
actual investigation we were passing

4367
02:52:48,469 --> 02:52:46,000
through the

4368
02:52:49,349 --> 02:52:48,479
entrance hall to what's known as the

4369
02:52:52,389 --> 02:52:49,359
parlor suite

4370
02:52:53,670 --> 02:52:52,399
it's a bed and breakfast and they

4371
02:52:55,110 --> 02:52:53,680
run a murder mystery dinner theater

4372
02:52:56,150 --> 02:52:55,120
we're going back to the parlor suite and

4373
02:52:58,630 --> 02:52:56,160
notice that the

4374
02:53:00,309 --> 02:52:58,640
bureau that's there in the uh entrance

4375
02:53:02,070 --> 02:53:00,319
hall one of the drawers is open a little

4376
02:53:03,910 --> 02:53:02,080
bit we didn't really paid any minds just

4377
02:53:05,510 --> 02:53:03,920
okay it's open we're back there in the

4378
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:05,520
parlor suite for no more than about two

4379
02:53:09,510 --> 02:53:06,880
minutes all of a sudden we hear this

4380
02:53:10,710 --> 02:53:09,520
boom this slam from out in the entrance

4381
02:53:13,349 --> 02:53:10,720
hall we go out there

4382
02:53:14,230 --> 02:53:13,359
notice that the dwarf has been slammed

4383
02:53:16,070 --> 02:53:14,240
shut

4384
02:53:17,910 --> 02:53:16,080
johnny gets out his trifield meter or

4385
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:17,920
i'm snapping photos and i got this

4386
02:53:21,349 --> 02:53:20,240
fantastic white list between johnny and

4387
02:53:23,349 --> 02:53:21,359
the bureau

4388
02:53:24,950 --> 02:53:23,359
i didn't really notice that until you

4389
02:53:26,870 --> 02:53:24,960
know later on it's a great picture

4390
02:53:28,070 --> 02:53:26,880
by the way it's in the book it's a great

4391
02:53:30,309 --> 02:53:28,080
picture it's pretty cool

4392
02:53:32,469 --> 02:53:30,319
yeah pretty cool but it's like but wait

4393
02:53:34,790 --> 02:53:32,479
we're not done

4394
02:53:36,469 --> 02:53:34,800
so we decided we're going to split up

4395
02:53:38,309 --> 02:53:36,479
into two groups because the parlor suite

4396
02:53:40,070 --> 02:53:38,319
was really small for all of us i started

4397
02:53:41,670 --> 02:53:40,080
leading a group up the stairs i got to

4398
02:53:43,590 --> 02:53:41,680
the landing this other girl starts up

4399
02:53:45,269 --> 02:53:43,600
behind me in between us this framed

4400
02:53:48,309 --> 02:53:45,279
photograph of lizzie borden

4401
02:53:50,550 --> 02:53:48,319
and it crashes to the stairs it's a big

4402
02:53:53,349 --> 02:53:50,560
it's a big picture heavy frame it's

4403
02:53:57,190 --> 02:53:53,359
probably uh two foot by three foot

4404
02:54:00,230 --> 02:53:57,200
uh almost that big yeah it's pretty big

4405
02:54:01,030 --> 02:54:00,240
nobody touched it it just boom crashed

4406
02:54:03,990 --> 02:54:01,040
the stairs

4407
02:54:06,230 --> 02:54:04,000
so that yeah that was a wild night now

4408
02:54:09,670 --> 02:54:06,240
what do you do with that

4409
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:09,680
i mean is is it uh

4410
02:54:16,469 --> 02:54:13,120
uh is it is it

4411
02:54:19,030 --> 02:54:16,479
how do i how do i say this is it

4412
02:54:20,309 --> 02:54:19,040
is it a ghost is it an entity knocking

4413
02:54:23,670 --> 02:54:20,319
the picture off the wall

4414
02:54:26,389 --> 02:54:23,680
is it the house reacting is it the house

4415
02:54:27,429 --> 02:54:26,399
doing it are you getting warned off it's

4416
02:54:29,830 --> 02:54:27,439
honest

4417
02:54:30,550 --> 02:54:29,840
it's in a uh it's on the wall of the

4418
02:54:32,389 --> 02:54:30,560
stairway

4419
02:54:34,150 --> 02:54:32,399
is it a warning not to go upstairs

4420
02:54:36,630 --> 02:54:34,160
there's so many things

4421
02:54:38,950 --> 02:54:36,640
that you can extrapolate from that

4422
02:54:41,429 --> 02:54:38,960
experience and by the way

4423
02:54:42,630 --> 02:54:41,439
that place is haunted you look at it

4424
02:54:45,269 --> 02:54:42,640
from the outside

4425
02:54:46,230 --> 02:54:45,279
and you know you're not supposed to be

4426
02:54:48,469 --> 02:54:46,240
ghost hunting there

4427
02:54:50,070 --> 02:54:48,479
i mean hilarious jimmy because that's

4428
02:54:51,510 --> 02:54:50,080
what i always say about that place when

4429
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:51,520
i say the stone line in and guthrie

4430
02:54:55,269 --> 02:54:53,600
oklahoma when you walk up to it you just

4431
02:54:57,750 --> 02:54:55,279
look at it you say yeah that's a haunted

4432
02:54:59,990 --> 02:54:57,760
house that is hilarious

4433
02:55:01,110 --> 02:55:00,000
i mean it's it's it's crazy town and

4434
02:55:04,230 --> 02:55:01,120
then you look and

4435
02:55:07,349 --> 02:55:04,240
of all things it's a it's a it's a

4436
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:07,359
image of of lizzie borden in this heavy

4437
02:55:11,590 --> 02:55:08,560
gold frame

4438
02:55:13,590 --> 02:55:11,600
and this thing just jumps off the wall

4439
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:13,600
yeah so we would call that poltergeist

4440
02:55:16,150 --> 02:55:15,359
activity you know poltergeist being

4441
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:16,160
german for

4442
02:55:21,990 --> 02:55:19,279
noisy ghost and it was it was you know

4443
02:55:23,670 --> 02:55:22,000
being very mischievous that night it was

4444
02:55:25,510 --> 02:55:23,680
very unusual because we had

4445
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:25,520
investigated there many times and this

4446
02:55:29,190 --> 02:55:27,359
was the only night that

4447
02:55:31,349 --> 02:55:29,200
something significant like this it

4448
02:55:33,670 --> 02:55:31,359
happened multiple times usually

4449
02:55:36,230 --> 02:55:33,680
usually we'd get okay footsteps and some

4450
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:36,240
voices some evps that sort of thing

4451
02:55:41,590 --> 02:55:39,680
but this was extremely active so

4452
02:55:43,190 --> 02:55:41,600
why was all this poltergeist activity

4453
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:43,200
going on that particular night we never

4454
02:55:46,230 --> 02:55:43,760
did get an

4455
02:55:47,110 --> 02:55:46,240
answer there's another uh thing i've

4456
02:55:50,469 --> 02:55:47,120
only got a

4457
02:55:54,230 --> 02:55:50,479
about four minutes left you guys

4458
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:54,240
it's one thing to see stuff

4459
02:56:00,870 --> 02:55:58,000
with uh night vision and you see uh

4460
02:56:02,790 --> 02:56:00,880
you see stuff shot like that you guys

4461
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:02,800
are in the dark

4462
02:56:06,309 --> 02:56:05,680
you guys are are hunting and it's black

4463
02:56:09,429 --> 02:56:06,319
you can't

4464
02:56:11,269 --> 02:56:09,439
who

4465
02:56:12,469 --> 02:56:11,279
you can't even see the size of the room

4466
02:56:13,990 --> 02:56:12,479
that you're in

4467
02:56:16,389 --> 02:56:14,000
does that does that freak you out a

4468
02:56:19,830 --> 02:56:16,399
little bit uh it it

4469
02:56:20,950 --> 02:56:19,840
can yeah i i don't think people really

4470
02:56:22,389 --> 02:56:20,960
understand that because i see the night

4471
02:56:23,830 --> 02:56:22,399
vision and everything and so

4472
02:56:25,510 --> 02:56:23,840
so to them they're like okay you know

4473
02:56:27,990 --> 02:56:25,520
you can but you don't see

4474
02:56:29,830 --> 02:56:28,000
anything around you uh you try to stay

4475
02:56:32,070 --> 02:56:29,840
safe you keep a flashlight with you

4476
02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:32,080
but a lot of times you know we're trying

4477
02:56:35,830 --> 02:56:34,160
to film so we don't have the flashlights

4478
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:35,840
out and all we have is that little

4479
02:56:39,590 --> 02:56:37,600
square the little rectangle

4480
02:56:41,429 --> 02:56:39,600
on the camera to try to get our way

4481
02:56:43,349 --> 02:56:41,439
through the room and so

4482
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:43,359
uh you have to be very careful in a lot

4483
02:56:47,750 --> 02:56:46,160
of these places what are your tools

4484
02:56:49,269 --> 02:56:47,760
what are the two or three things that

4485
02:56:51,750 --> 02:56:49,279
you have to take on an

4486
02:56:53,590 --> 02:56:51,760
investigation well like i said you know

4487
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:53,600
flashlight you got to be safe about it

4488
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:54,160
um

4489
02:56:57,429 --> 02:56:56,160
of course i like my my cameras and the

4490
02:56:59,429 --> 02:56:57,439
audio recorder

4491
02:57:01,349 --> 02:56:59,439
uh one tool i think a lot of people kind

4492
02:57:03,030 --> 02:57:01,359
of forget about is a notepad and a

4493
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:03,040
pencil you know take notes of what's

4494
02:57:06,070 --> 02:57:04,720
going on things you learn along the way

4495
02:57:08,630 --> 02:57:06,080
things you may hear or see

4496
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:08,640
because you know going back over the the

4497
02:57:13,190 --> 02:57:10,160
audio and the video

4498
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:13,200
uh you may you may have something there

4499
02:57:16,070 --> 02:57:14,960
that you take out of context but if you

4500
02:57:17,670 --> 02:57:16,080
have some notes

4501
02:57:19,269 --> 02:57:17,680
you might be able to uh you know put it

4502
02:57:21,349 --> 02:57:19,279
into a better context what kind of

4503
02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:21,359
meters do you take with you

4504
02:57:24,469 --> 02:57:23,120
oh you know i got a tri-field meteor or

4505
02:57:27,510 --> 02:57:24,479
a little uh

4506
02:57:28,309 --> 02:57:27,520
k2 um yeah i've kind of pared it down

4507
02:57:29,830 --> 02:57:28,319
here

4508
02:57:31,990 --> 02:57:29,840
over the years like i used to bring that

4509
02:57:34,070 --> 02:57:32,000
sls camera and all this other stuff but

4510
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:34,080
it's kind of cumbersome and really it's

4511
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:35,120
just you know i

4512
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:37,040
think really you just need to keep it as

4513
02:57:40,870 --> 02:57:39,359
as simple as possible you don't need all

4514
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:40,880
this crazy stuff

4515
02:57:46,150 --> 02:57:44,000
now uh where can everybody go and listen

4516
02:57:49,110 --> 02:57:46,160
and uh what time and what day of the

4517
02:57:52,469 --> 02:57:49,120
week is your show on kgra

4518
02:57:53,990 --> 02:57:52,479
yeah kgra um i have two shows on kgra

4519
02:57:56,469 --> 02:57:54,000
edge of the rabbit hole and beyond the

4520
02:58:00,070 --> 02:57:56,479
shadows they both air at midnight

4521
02:58:00,469 --> 02:58:00,080
uh midnight eastern edge of the rabbit

4522
02:58:02,870 --> 02:58:00,479
hole

4523
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:02,880
is midnight friday night and beyond the

4524
02:58:08,790 --> 02:58:05,279
shadows is midnight saturday nights

4525
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:08,800
and uh who's on this weekend

4526
02:58:13,030 --> 02:58:12,399
uh this weekend we have joe diamond so

4527
02:58:14,870 --> 02:58:13,040
he's uh

4528
02:58:16,389 --> 02:58:14,880
known as america's greatest mind reader

4529
02:58:17,910 --> 02:58:16,399
so that'll be a really interesting

4530
02:58:21,990 --> 02:58:17,920
show a little bit different than what we

4531
02:58:23,990 --> 02:58:22,000
usually do man i'm on him on my show

4532
02:58:25,429 --> 02:58:24,000
i've watched a lot of his videos and

4533
02:58:27,510 --> 02:58:25,439
he's just he's fascinating

4534
02:58:30,150 --> 02:58:27,520
uh really interesting guy that's that's

4535
02:58:32,070 --> 02:58:30,160
too cool and what is uh the new show uh

4536
02:58:33,269 --> 02:58:32,080
schedule for netflix do you have a

4537
02:58:35,590 --> 02:58:33,279
crystal ball

4538
02:58:37,590 --> 02:58:35,600
oh yeah that's i i don't have an

4539
02:58:40,630 --> 02:58:37,600
official date it was supposed to

4540
02:58:41,910 --> 02:58:40,640
uh premiere on amazon and amazon changed

4541
02:58:45,349 --> 02:58:41,920
all of their policies

4542
02:58:46,630 --> 02:58:45,359
back in february so um

4543
02:58:49,190 --> 02:58:46,640
right now i had to find a different

4544
02:58:51,830 --> 02:58:49,200
distributor uh to make all that happen

4545
02:58:52,389 --> 02:58:51,840
so sometime here in the next month or

4546
02:58:54,070 --> 02:58:52,399
two

4547
02:58:55,510 --> 02:58:54,080
uh that and then i'll actually get some

4548
02:58:57,349 --> 02:58:55,520
sort of official word as to when it's

4549
02:58:57,750 --> 02:58:57,359
going to premiere but it'll be soon and

4550
02:58:59,190 --> 02:58:57,760
that's

4551
02:59:01,510 --> 02:58:59,200
the shadow dimension you get all

4552
02:59:03,830 --> 02:59:01,520
information on that shadow dimension.com

4553
02:59:05,750 --> 02:59:03,840
thank you so much michael what a great

4554
02:59:07,030 --> 02:59:05,760
conversation tonight i look forward to

4555
02:59:09,110 --> 02:59:07,040
having you on

4556
02:59:10,309 --> 02:59:09,120
again and and tonight we had to talk

4557
02:59:12,389 --> 02:59:10,319
about everything

4558
02:59:14,150 --> 02:59:12,399
next time you're on we'll focus on one

4559
02:59:14,710 --> 02:59:14,160
subject for the whole night thank you so

4560
02:59:17,910 --> 02:59:14,720
much

4561
02:59:19,830 --> 02:59:17,920
absolutely appreciate it this was fun

4562
02:59:22,630 --> 02:59:19,840
absolutely perfect show thank you so

4563
02:59:23,870 --> 02:59:22,640
much uh mike ricksecker and again

4564
02:59:26,550 --> 02:59:23,880
mike's links are over at

4565
02:59:29,510 --> 02:59:26,560
jimmychurchradio.com mikericksucker.com

4566
02:59:30,710 --> 02:59:29,520
and haunted road media the book walk in

4567
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:30,720
the shadows

4568
02:59:34,950 --> 02:59:32,960
like i said i'm in my second read

4569
02:59:36,950 --> 02:59:34,960
through it's a fantastic book

4570
02:59:38,309 --> 02:59:36,960
thank you so much mike enjoy the rest of

4571
02:59:40,389 --> 02:59:38,319
your night man

4572
02:59:42,630 --> 02:59:40,399
thanks you too jimmy take care we just

4573
02:59:44,150 --> 02:59:42,640
went bumper to bumper pulled a pole

4574
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:44,160
and i've got to jump straight into

4575
02:59:47,030 --> 02:59:46,080
credits what a great conversation

4576
02:59:49,110 --> 02:59:47,040
tonight

4577
02:59:50,950 --> 02:59:49,120
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4578
02:59:54,309 --> 02:59:50,960
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4579
02:59:55,429 --> 02:59:54,319
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4580
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4581
02:59:58,550 --> 02:59:57,840
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4582
03:00:01,429 --> 02:59:58,560
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4583
03:00:01,750 --> 03:00:01,439
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4584
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4585
03:00:07,349 --> 03:00:05,279
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4586
03:00:09,110 --> 03:00:07,359
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4587
03:00:09,590 --> 03:00:09,120
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03:00:15,349 --> 03:00:13,120
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4590
03:00:16,950 --> 03:00:15,359
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4591
03:00:18,870 --> 03:00:16,960
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03:00:20,469 --> 03:00:18,880
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03:00:21,269 --> 03:00:20,479
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03:00:22,870 --> 03:00:21,279
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4595
03:00:24,309 --> 03:00:22,880
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4597
03:00:28,230 --> 03:00:25,520
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4598
03:00:29,510 --> 03:00:28,240
tomorrow night right here micah hanks of

4599
03:00:32,870 --> 03:00:29,520
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4600
03:01:04,830 --> 03:00:32,880
until then i want everybody to be safe